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Post by rodders on May 31, 2018 7:01:44 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin
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Post by admin on May 31, 2018 8:01:14 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin FRN, good idea but probably 10 years too late. The top names are no longer bothered about riding here, whether that be the quality of the product or financial so I'm not sure what the objective is. 2010 was a defining moment and the sport has the product it deserves. Thankfully I supported Panthers from 1999-2013 because I doubt that those superb overall experiences will ever be replicated at the EoES. We exist as a club but not with any particular importance in the sporting world, either locally or nationally IMO - apologies for going off on a tangent  Panthers never had enough fixtures as it was so the 2018 famine is a pain, as has been some of the weather but not much can be done about the latter. The one positive thing for British Speedway is the youngsters coming into the sport. Hopefully they keep their feet on the ground, stick with it, get the backing and decent equipment their talent deserves and progress in their career. Will that be here or other leagues though if they are above average  |
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Post by Hodgy on May 31, 2018 11:41:23 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin The BSPA have totally lost control. Situations like Poole yesterday are becoming all too common and causing more supporters to walk away. |
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Post by admin on May 31, 2018 13:38:28 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin The BSPA have totally lost control. Situations like Poole yesterday are becoming all too common and causing more supporters to walk away. Well this certainly is a few nails in the lid: Neil Middleditch explains surprise Pirates postponement |
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Post by Hodgy on May 31, 2018 21:37:20 GMT
Poor inconsistent tracks appears to be a growing problem. Surely it should be a major priority when putting on a show. I don’t understand, after all these years, why they all can’t consistently deliver a race track, fit for each circuit. They’ve all been doing it long enough. Why the ‘big guns’ Poole can’t get it right is a mystery. “I wanna buy some nails”, “How long do you want them”? “I want to keep them”! Def a few more nails. Heard it was a big crowd. |
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Post by admin on Jun 1, 2018 7:34:20 GMT
Poor inconsistent tracks appears to be a growing problem. Surely it should be a major priority when putting on a show. I don’t understand, after all these years, why they all can’t consistently deliver a race track, fit for each circuit. They’ve all been doing it long enough. Why the ‘big guns’ Poole can’t get it right is a mystery. “I wanna buy some nails”, “How long do you want them”? “I want to keep them”! Def a few more nails. Heard it was a big crowd. I get the feeling these days that there are several elements: Lack of time when clubs have access to their stadium (not something Sweden, Denmark, Poland have I guess?); lack of money (I guess that club's have less of a pot to pee in than ever before); health and safety gone mad these days (always an ambulance chaser readily available - very topical!); and finally lack of volunteers (speedway has run on goodwill for decades but as the previous generation pass the baton over to the next generation, unfortunately the numbers and will is no longer there from the "what's in it for me generation") Having said that, this is still a cock up of the highest order and PR disaster but soon glossed over and forgotten. Speedway doesn't give a toss. Problem is that more and more fans are realising that and doing likewise. |
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Post by rodders on Jun 1, 2018 8:20:37 GMT
Speedway has been in self destruct mode for several years
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Post by davet on Jun 1, 2018 10:55:11 GMT
Poor inconsistent tracks appears to be a growing problem. Surely it should be a major priority when putting on a show. I don’t understand, after all these years, why they all can’t consistently deliver a race track, fit for each circuit. They’ve all been doing it long enough. Why the ‘big guns’ Poole can’t get it right is a mystery. “I wanna buy some nails”, “How long do you want them”? “I want to keep them”! Def a few more nails. Heard it was a big crowd. I get the feeling these days that there are several elements: Lack of time when clubs have access to their stadium (not something Sweden, Denmark, Poland have I guess?); lack of money (I guess that club's have less of a pot to pee in than ever before); health and safety gone mad these days (always an ambulance chaser readily available - very topical!); and finally lack of volunteers (speedway has run on goodwill for decades but as the previous generation pass the baton over to the next generation, unfortunately the numbers and will is no longer there from the "what's in it for me generation") Having said that, this is still a cock up of the highest order and PR disaster but soon glossed over and forgotten. Speedway doesn't give a toss. Problem is that more and more fans are realising that and doing likewise. I actually had that conversation with the bloke on the tool stall at Peterborough market several years ago! |
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Post by Hodgy on Jun 1, 2018 20:15:16 GMT
Speedway has been in self destruct mode for several years We have seen it coming for several years. Sadly those in control have now lost it completely. Hope I am wrong but I expect we will lose a few clubs next season, possibly before. In contrast, we have several promising youngsters coming through the youth programme. Maybe that should be the rip it up and start again focus. |
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Post by rodders on Jun 1, 2018 22:01:20 GMT
As I have said before IMO Speedway in general is run by Spivs and Wide Boys, in the main only concerned with their own self interest or those that are perceived to be in the inner sanctum.
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Post by Hodgy on Jun 1, 2018 23:53:02 GMT
As I have said before IMO Speedway in general is run by Spivs and Wide Boys, in the main only concerned with their own self interest or those that are perceived to be in the inner sanctum. It always has been. Now it’s getting desperate. GP’s and TV coverage wasted opportunities, for the reasons you state. |
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Post by admin on Jun 5, 2018 21:33:00 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin And of course from a Peterborough perspective we have to factor in the East of England Showground and the excellent working relationship we have with them which has been in existence allegedly since the days of Bratley. I'm buggered if I know how we would have coped with a full fixture list in 2018, and should speedway get its act together and produce a decent fixture list in 2019 it makes you wonder how we will cope then if we are running. I called my mate earlier this evening who informed me that he will not be going to Sunday's meeting versus Glasgow because he has booked to go to a music festival elsewhere. You may think that's not unusual but he is a long long-time supporter and season ticket holder who is sick of the lack of meetings and inconsistent fixture list that seems worse than ever in 2018. It didn't help that he also missed the Newcastle meeting because that was originally a Friday fixture that was changed to a Saturday when he had already booked another event. Unfortunately that now also gives me less reason to go and I can't say that the overall experience enthuses me too much so I'm 50-50 at the moment myself  let's see how they get on on Friday evening. If it doesn't go well and Glasgow's top five turn up on Sunday then we could be in big trouble. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 13:30:07 GMT
Fixed Race Nights - you say. If only at the Eoes - it would be heaven wouldn’t it?
Totally understand your friend’s predicament - Sunday’s at 7 not 5 worked best for me - not perfect so still not 100% attendance possible but better than the other options of which these days there are many -TOO MANY! Whatever day of the week the Club race on it would help massively if they would either race in the afternoon or in the evening not at bloody tea-time - I’m sure I am not the only one with a partner, family commitments and pets to consider not to mention travelling a fair distance as do many others for Home meetings.
Just like your friend I am also a long time supporter and once upon a time Season Ticket holder who in the 70,s 80’s 90’s and early 2000’s planned my social life around Home fixtures and holidays around as many Away ones as possible to fit in as many meetings as I could each season - not any more or for quite some years now - my partner started losing interest in the mid 2000’s but I carried on but it’s getting more difficult each year because:
a). A different social life has evolved including family and friends who are not speedway fans and weekend events especially Sunday lunches or outings which we are both invited to make it impossible for me to get back home in time to travel to Peterborough for a 5pm start - 7pm would be ok most weeks.
b) too many different days used for racing (yes I know that’s often due to the limitations of racing at the Eoes ) some of which clash with other interests and hobbies I pursue these days - once upon a time the Panthers fixtures would have been added to my Calendar each season as soon as they were known and everything else planned around them but gradually over the years it’s swung the other way - nowadays everything else is added to our calendar and I attend if I can. 😢😢
C) we take more holidays each year now and usually abroad meaning I miss more home fixtures and visit far less away tracks than previously.
Despite all of the above I will always try to attend as many as I can each season as long as racing continues at the Eoes but whereas family and friends once knew to invite me to something on a Friday evening would be met by a sorry but it’s speedway night these days I am more likely to be asked if I still go - hardly surprising with racing on a Tuesday one week, Friday for the next one followed by a Saturday then a Sunday - so yes FIXED RACE NIGHT for me please - to know it’s Sunday at 7pm or no racing this week would be heaven.
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Post by admin on Jun 6, 2018 21:57:46 GMT
Fixed Race Nights - you say. If only at the Eoes - it would be heaven wouldn’t it? It's probably what we needed at a different time but no use to us now. Irrespective of days and time it's no longer an enjoyable overall experience IMO; maybe that's just me? A few people (dwindling numbers by the look of it) consider 15 races as their benchmark, and perhaps that spread out follow the leader stuff that often follows. For me over the last 10 years it's been the hour or so before (and whatever presentation is on offer) and the main meeting before I'm thinking about going. We're now miles away from Frost and Mahoney years on so many fronts (yes I know I moaned about them/that but be careful what you wish for was written for me after all) and it's pretty soulless and lacking in atmosphere these days. I can't see that improving tbh. At the end of the day though, speedway's lack of regular fixtures across the board and annual tinkering which has been more incompetent than ever over recent years seems to be doing all the damage. Can't be doing with holidays as an excuse during the season unless unless a fixture is rearranged to coincide with the holiday. |
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Post by chrise on Jun 7, 2018 12:22:32 GMT
The comments on this thread are very indicative of the current state of British Speedway. If the diehards like us are finding it hard to get motivated to attend, what chance of attracting any new regulars. I agree with Riggers that the Showground seems a very soulless place these day's with rip off catering facilities. I do not blame Ged for this but he could improve the overall presentation. Let's have a proper parade with bikes before tapes up and cut out the inane drivel from the roving mic. To my mind Friday night racing (when possible) is the the only way to go.
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Post by rodders on Jun 7, 2018 14:03:17 GMT
Fixed race nights are fine if you knew a certain club raced for instance every Thursday, but the present situation when all meetings are on Monday or Wednesday( or is it Thursday) is the problem. There was a time when you knew the home night of most clubs and you could turn up with confidence on that particular day knowing there would be a meeting. Now clubs have been deprived of traditional race night and it is likely on the fixed night there will no meeting anyway.
You would think sometimes there is a special sub committee at BSPA planning more and better ways to make a complete balls of it all.
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Post by admin on Jun 7, 2018 15:43:22 GMT
You would think sometimes there is a special sub committee at BSPA planning more and better ways to make a complete balls of it all. Good question for the supporters quiz night in the event of a tie: please can you come up with a working title for the said group  |
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Post by chrise on Jun 15, 2018 23:38:03 GMT
IMO fixed race nights fewer fixtures and of course this seasons weather have put a further nail in Speedways coffin And of course from a Peterborough perspective we have to factor in the East of England Showground and the excellent working relationship we have with them which has been in existence allegedly since the days of Bratley. I'm buggered if I know how we would have coped with a full fixture list in 2018, and should speedway get its act together and produce a decent fixture list in 2019 it makes you wonder how we will cope then if we are running. I called my mate earlier this evening who informed me that he will not be going to Sunday's meeting versus Glasgow because he has booked to go to a music festival elsewhere. You may think that's not unusual but he is a long long-time supporter and season ticket holder who is sick of the lack of meetings and inconsistent fixture list that seems worse than ever in 2018. It didn't help that he also missed the Newcastle meeting because that was originally a Friday fixture that was changed to a Saturday when he had already booked another event. Unfortunately that now also gives me less reason to go and I can't say that the overall experience enthuses me too much so I'm 50-50 at the moment myself let's see how they get on on Friday evening. If it doesn't go well and Glasgow's top five turn up on Sunday then we could be in big trouble. This post is now even more poignant. See we now have a double header scheduled for Sunday 15th July. This does not make any sense financially or from a racing perspective. This puts unnecessary strain on riders and machinery at a time when we are challenging for the league. If in 2019 and British Speedway somehow gets it's act together with a full fixture list, it looks like we will be unable to compete. I am afraid to say the end of racing at showground is now very much in sight. |
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Post by rodders on Jun 16, 2018 4:37:39 GMT
Terry Russell in Speedway Star article seems to think that BSPA have made another balls of it all.
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Post by admin on Jun 16, 2018 8:40:22 GMT
Terry Russell in Speedway Star article seems to think that BSPA have made another balls of it all. I have to say Rodders that reading such posts does my head in. Balls of what? (although going by the thread total we have some idea). What does he says? People can't comment on or discuss on nothing and that's basically what the post is. That may seem like a right go at you but it's not. It's just that you're post gave me the opportunity I've been looking at but missed often for a good whinge. I should be quite chilled considering I've got 2 weeks off work now to watch footy and racing whilst ignoring the daily clock watching 9-5 (or sometime between 10 and 6 in my case) grind |
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Post by rodders on Jun 16, 2018 13:19:07 GMT
What he said was that BSPA effectively negated the whole idea by altering the agreed race nights and introducing the 8 point restriction
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Post by admin on Jun 16, 2018 16:06:36 GMT
What he said was that BSPA effectively negated the whole idea by altering the agreed race nights and introducing the 8 point restriction The BSPA do that sort of thing every year though so he can't be surprised. It's easy to point things out when it goes tits up but what was he saying when these changes were proposed/happening That's not a question to you Rodders unless you know the answer. |
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Post by admin on Jun 16, 2018 20:43:13 GMT
And of course from a Peterborough perspective we have to factor in the East of England Showground and the excellent working relationship we have with them which has been in existence allegedly since the days of Bratley. I'm buggered if I know how we would have coped with a full fixture list in 2018, and should speedway get its act together and produce a decent fixture list in 2019 it makes you wonder how we will cope then if we are running. I called my mate earlier this evening who informed me that he will not be going to Sunday's meeting versus Glasgow because he has booked to go to a music festival elsewhere. You may think that's not unusual but he is a long long-time supporter and season ticket holder who is sick of the lack of meetings and inconsistent fixture list that seems worse than ever in 2018. It didn't help that he also missed the Newcastle meeting because that was originally a Friday fixture that was changed to a Saturday when he had already booked another event. Unfortunately that now also gives me less reason to go and I can't say that the overall experience enthuses me too much so I'm 50-50 at the moment myself let's see how they get on on Friday evening. If it doesn't go well and Glasgow's top five turn up on Sunday then we could be in big trouble. This post is now even more poignant. See we now have a double header scheduled for Sunday 15th July. This does not make any sense financially or from a racing perspective. This puts unnecessary strain on riders and machinery at a time when we are challenging for the league. If in 2019 and British Speedway somehow gets it's act together with a full fixture list, it looks like we will be unable to compete. I am afraid to say the end of racing at showground is now very much in sight.Perhaps that's what Plummer was alluding to  As for the Sunday double header, it's worse than just a double header because there is a Friday meeting as well. Therefore we know that most people will pick one in that case, so is it Scunthorpe or KOC and league champions? |
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Post by admin on Jun 22, 2018 11:46:01 GMT
As for the Sunday double header, it's worse than just a double header because there is a Friday meeting as well. Therefore we know that most people will pick one in that case, so is it Scunthorpe or KOC and league champions? Probably Scunthorpe as I've just twigged that the World Cup Final is on Sunday 15 July (Moscow (Luzhniki), 4pm) Bit like being given a flyer for Sunday's Barks dog show at Central Park. Told the bloke that it coincided with England v Panama and he accepted that it was a bit of a cock up whereas his lady companion, when told what I said, didn't understand the problem |
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Post by rodders on Jun 22, 2018 17:56:50 GMT
In view of recent events I fear for the future of Panthers at EOES. The Horton plan of a few years back is clearly a non starter. Seems to me if Panthers are to continue a new home is required/ I have never been to the Dog Track does anybody know whether it may be suitable for Speedway and whether attempts have been made in the past to run Speedway there?
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