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Post by admin on Aug 29, 2023 12:40:02 GMT
SHOWGROUND DEVELOPMENT. At last, the council has published AEPG's planning applications (there are two) to develop the showground. You can read and comment on the plans on the council's planning portal at www.peterborough.gov.uk/council/planning-and-development/planning-and-building/search-applications references 23/00400/OUT and 23/00412/OUT Note these are 'outline' applications so do not contain all the detail. That will follow in future applications. The council's outline application consultation is now open for 30 days.
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Post by bratters on Aug 29, 2023 22:18:32 GMT
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Post by admin on Aug 29, 2023 23:28:45 GMT
Policy LP36: East of England Showground specifically points to the fact that the loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy LP30Seems pretty clear to me that that was specifically included for Peterborough Speedway! Policy LP30: Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities - this is not what many focus on or take note of (and it's just for information) but it is part of the stick that they will use to beat us with in conjunction with our weapon and their main failing of not meeting the criteria further below, and, allegedly, using weak reasoning to justify ignoring LP30:The council will support the development of new cultural, leisure, tourism and community facilities, especially if: it will help to improve the range, quality, and distinctiveness of facilities that the city and surrounding areas have to offer; it improves access by sustainable transport modes to such facilities; and it will help to promote the image of Peterborough and attract more visitors. Existing Culture, Leisure, Tourism and Community Facilities - the important bitThe loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that: k. The facility is demonstrably no longer fit for purpose and the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; or l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity: what is deemed as reasonable proximity will depend on the nature of the facility and its associated catchment area; or m. The proposal includes the provision of a new facility of a similar nature and of a similar or greater size in a suitable on or off-site location. Don't get in to too much specific detail at this point (unless you are good and know what you're doing), just a general objection of LP30 not being met should be sufficient at this stage.
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Post by bratters on Aug 30, 2023 13:19:03 GMT
I have been invited on to BBC Radio Cambridgeshire at 8:00am on Thursday 31st August (tomorrow) to discuss the Showground development.
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Post by admin on Aug 30, 2023 16:09:55 GMT
The planning portal is not the easiest to navigate, You're not bloody kidding and I'm good at these things. View documents is a joke. It opened once but was a right dogs' dinner. Otherwise the system just hangs. Pretty standard IT system that you expect to experience in the public sector.
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Post by admin on Aug 30, 2023 20:14:11 GMT
Interesting stuff here which clarifies some issues with one, at least, major surprise & one glaring omission plus some disappointing quotes:Multi-million pound development plans for East of England Showground take major step forward with plans to build 1,500 homes plus a hotel, school and a care village.Outline planning applications for the proposed redevelopment of the 165 acre site at Oundle Road, Alwalton, have now been listed for consideration by Peterborough City Council with the public invited to submit their views ahead of a decision on the application by councillors. The development proposal, which was first unveiled by the Showground promoter AEPG (Asset Earning Power Group) in 2021, has been split into two separate outline planning applications. The first application seeks permission for the principle of the construction up to 850 homes plus a care village of up to 3.27 hectares with mixed use leisure facilities including conferencing, a 250-bed hotel, plus health, retail and eating and drinking establishment uses, a primary school as well as car parking and associated open space and infrastructure.If approved these would be built on the section of the Showground that is mostly grass with areas of car parking present and that features the Arena, function suites and exhibition buildings and cattle sheds. AEPG has previously said that the care village would cost about £50 million to construct and that it was expected to create about 500 jobs. The second application seeks the go ahead to build up to 650 homes with associated open space and infrastructure. This site features the Grandstand, currently the home of Peterborough Speedway, and the offices of AEPG and the Agricultural Society. The Peterborough Local Plan for 2016-2036 states that 650 homes on the Showground is an acceptable development. It is thought that if the entire development is approved, construction will take a decade to complete.A document submitted with the applications also states extensive public consultation has been carried out and views expressed have been worked into the designs. if you say so It states: “The first community engagement, stakeholder surveys and public consultation were carried out in 2019 and comments have been fed back into the design process and resulted in new scheme proposals by 2022.” It adds: “In advance of submitting a new application, and as part of the design development process, the applicant wanted to understand the views of local residents and other stakeholders on the new proposals. Flyers were prepared in mid-November 2022 to advertise two well attended drop-in days.” The Showground has been used by the East of England Agricultural Society since 1966 for its annual agricultural shows but from 2012 attendances declined. In 2019 the site was allocated for development, and in 2020 the society announced its intention to leave and promote the land for development. In 2021 it was announced AEPG had entered into a land promotion agreement with the society to develop and enhance the 165 acre Showground site with a leisure-led mixed use development that includes housing. The large-scale public events traditionally held at the Showground have now ceased. In order to secure revenue during the development of the Showground, AEPG has allowed DHL to operate a car storage depot from the site. A retrospective planning application for this change of use has still to be considered by councillors. An urgent call has gone out to Peterborough residents to make their views known about the plans. Councillor Julie Stevenson, one of the ward councillors for the area, said: “This is a key stage in a long process and I encourage residents to get involved as much as they can to ensure that the development is the best it can possibly be. "After all, it is those of us that live here that truly understand the implications for local amenities such as schools and doctors, safety of local roads and density of housing.” The proposed development will also leave the speedway team Peterborough Panthers, which has been at the Showground for more than 50 years, looking for a new race track. Cllr Stevenson said: “We must fight for a new home for our speedway team. Peterborough Panthers have been a treasured part of Peterborough's cultural scene for over half a century. We're at risk of losing them entirely if the council doesn't step in to help.”
Cllr Stevenson added: “While it's good that residents finally have an opportunity to review the outline plans and provide comments, the timing is frustrating. The documents appeared on the council's planning portal on August bank holiday Monday. "A significant number of people with an interest in the plans will still be on holiday so their opportunity to digest the plans and comment will be limited.” Despite Cllr Stevenson’s concerns a number of residents have already begun to submit comments through the planning portal. One resident stateds: “Not only is it one of the only places in the city that offers all sorts of types of entertainment, it's removal must have an impact on the local businesses in the Orton area. "But the worse thing is that this will destroy a much loved speedway team, which has been very successful over the years and the city should be proud of!” And another resident states: “The planning application does not give any consideration to improving existing access points from Oundle Road or Dunblane Drive. "850 dwellings and associated other buildings will likely increase local road traffic by 1,700 plus vehicles. "It is a badly thought out plan that has not taken into consideration existing local residents and the effect that increased traffic flow will have.” The number of houses proposed is a puzzle to another objector who also queries how medical services are going to be provided. A council spokesperson said: "All of the infrastructure needs, that are generated by the development, will need to be provided by the developer. This may include health, as well as education, highways, green space, affordable housing, and biodiversity. "The infrastructure providers will be consulted, once the applications are valid, and invited to confirm their infrastructure needs forward. This will then be negotiated with the developer."
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Post by admin on Aug 30, 2023 21:23:55 GMT
The Peterborough Local Plan for 2016-2036 states that 650 homes on the Showground is an acceptable development. It is thought that if the entire development is approved, construction will take a decade to complete.
MISSING AN IMPORTANT PIECE OF DETAIL THERE:
Policy LP36: East of England Showground
Within the East of England Showground, as defined on the Policies Map, the following uses will be supported in principle, subject to, if the proposal is of a significant scale, an approved masterplan for the Showground:
Facilities directly related to the function of shows on the Showground itself; Conference facilities (D1 and D2); Employment related development; Residential development of around 650 dwellings. (2ND APPLICATION IT WOULD SEEM?)
The loss of any existing leisure and sports facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided in accordance with policy LP30.
Disappointed to read this because Julie knows that they have to provide a like for like on or off site provision if the local plan is worth the paper that it's written on. PCC don't need to help. They just need to do their to and tell AEPG that their application is rejected until they address LP30 and incorporate Peterborough Speedway or provide an on or off site alternative.
Give her the benefit of the doubt that they've cherry picked.
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Post by admin on Sept 1, 2023 11:10:05 GMT
Jeez. I bet the locals love the prospect of that going on for the next 10 years? www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/factfile-east-of-england-showground-redevelopment-plans-explained-4275569And the EEAS complain that they receive a few speedway related noise complaints for the speedway they say is seasonal and only runs spasmodically for approx half of the year - I'd imagine that a decade long (at best) building site might produce a touch more noise, traffic congestion and numerous other disruptions to upset the locals especially
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 2, 2023 12:40:15 GMT
I am reliably informed that comments on the AEPG Facebook page and the PCC planning applications are really causing AEPG problems. They don’t like the adverse comments and they are now coming thick and fast.
If everyone that uses Facebook can post a adverse comment on their plans and everyone can object to their plans on the PCC council planning applications please do so, it’s helping and really is causing AEPG grief both with their PCC application and the council in general.
When complaining please cover the heritage of Peterborough Speedway and the fact that we have 53 years of Peterborough history and of course mention LP30 and LP36.
The PCC website isn’t overly easy to find your way around but if you use the links to the PCC application on this website you will go straight to it, then click documents and then additional documents, this will take you to currently 8 pages of comments, clicking on these you will see what people have already said which will help with what to cover.
Their is a lot currently going on behind the scenes and no doubt some of your will know who some of them are.
We need to keep the pressure on with both AEPG and Peterborough City Council.
Your help is needed now
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Post by admin on Sept 2, 2023 13:12:59 GMT
I am reliably informed that comments on the AEPG Facebook page and the PCC planning applications are really causing AEPG problems. They don’t like the adverse comments and they are now coming thick and fast. If everyone that uses Facebook can post a adverse comment on their plans and everyone can object to their plans on the PCC council planning applications please do so, it’s helping and really is causing AEPG grief both with their PCC application and the council in general. When complaining please cover the heritage of Peterborough Speedway and the fact that we have 53 years of Peterborough history and of course mention LP30 and LP36. The PCC website isn’t overly easy to find your way around but if you use the links to the PCC application on this website you will go straight to it, then click documents and then additional documents, this will take you to currently 8 pages of comments, clicking on these you will see what people have already said which will help with what to cover. Their is a lot currently going on behind the scenes and no doubt some of your will know who some of them are. We need to keep the pressure on with both AEPG and Peterborough City Council. Your help is needed now Excellent post Dick. Both AEPG and PCC were hoping this would go through on the nod so good to know that they are getting grief now, keep it up people. For those objecting, particularly on Facebook, don't be abusive, stick to the facts and keep the emotion out of it as much as possible. Not all obviously because we know what this means to supporters. These people are troubled by detail and people pulling their fantasy vision apart. There are people who can do that so don't worry if that's not you, just complain and object, it all addsup
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Post by bratters on Sept 2, 2023 19:31:46 GMT
AEPG are getting pelters on their Facebook page. Feel free to join in.
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Post by bratters on Sept 2, 2023 19:53:52 GMT
PLEASE TAKE TIME OUT TO COMMENT/OBJECT TO AEPGs PLANNING APPLICATION TO MAKE PETERBOROUGH PANTHERS EXTINCT To do this go to the councils planning portal here: planpa.peterborough.gov.uk/online-applications//search.do?action=simple&searchType=ApplicationPlanning simple search ‘Showground’ You will see the two applications references are: 23/00400/OUT and 23/00412OUT click on either or both Click on documents Click on associated documents You will then see the comments/objections that have been already left there are 25 to a page. Go down the different page numbers to eventually find the planning application detail. To make a comment/objection go back to the page where the associated documents link was and click the comments link. Leave your comments/objections and press submit. Anyone anywhere in the world can comment/object. PLEASE TAKE TIMEOUT TO DO THIS WE NEED PETERBOROUGH CITY COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND THE STRENGTH OF OPPOSITION TO KILLING OUR CLUB. DO IT!!!!
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Post by chrise on Sept 2, 2023 20:26:27 GMT
It is good to see objections are being made by supporters. However very little fight from the current management of the club. Very curious 😠😠😠😠😠. l will say no more.
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Post by bratters on Sept 2, 2023 21:29:51 GMT
It is good to see objections are being made by supporters. However very little fight from the current management of the club. Very curious 😠😠😠😠😠. l will say no more. If I was in charge of the club I would not be making any comment either. We have four meetings left and things can be made very difficult for the club by AEPG in running those meetings. I know first hand how difficult it can be as tenants of the Showground. Don’t get me started on Andrew Mercer . . . . .
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Post by admin on Sept 3, 2023 14:13:46 GMT
The planning portal is not the easiest to navigate, You're not bloody kidding and I'm good at these things. View documents is a joke. It opened once but was a right dogs' dinner. Otherwise the system just hangs. Pretty standard IT system that you expect to experience in the public sector. It looks like the IT system is fine. The problem is with Mozilla as usual. I tried Google Chrome and everything opens nicely.
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Post by admin on Sept 3, 2023 15:09:47 GMT
More objections over homes development plans for East of England ShowgroundDeveloper says aims is to create ‘aspirational neighbourhood’ - whilst destroying one of Peterborough's premium culture, leisure, tourism and community facilities with a brochure and artists' impression that might be complete in 10 years but will be out of date and nothing like promised!About 50 objections have been lodged against plans to build 1,500 homes and a £50 million leisure village on the East of England Showground. The protests have been submitted to Peterborough City Council in just five days since the plans from Showground operator AEPG went ‘live’ on the local authority’s planning portal on bank holiday Monday. Many of the comments focus on the loss of the Peterborough Panthers speedway track, which has been a feature of the Show ground for more than 50 years, while others worry about the provision of doctor and dentists facilities and the lack of suitable access for vehicles and other traffic issues as a result of the number of new homes planned. One Orton Southgate resident has stated: "This would leave Peterborough as nothing but a housing estate. "At the moment just take a ride North, South, East or west of the town you will see that thousands and thousands of houses have been built recently, "The hospital cannot cope with the numbers now let alone adding three to four thousand extra." AEPG has submitted two outline planning applications for the 165 acre site. One is for 850 homes plus the leisure village with 250-bed hotel, plus health, retail and eating and drinking establishment uses, a primary school as well as car parking and associated open space and infrastructure. The second application is for 650 homes. If the development is approved by city councillors it will mean the end of familiar Showground expanse of open land, which has featured an array of large and high profile public events since the 1960s. But in its design and access statement submitted to the council, AEPG states: “The application goes above and beyond the statutory requirement demonstrating a significant focus on the council’s green agenda. "It incorporates excellent opportunities for sustainable employment, improved physical and mental health through safe and fun places to live, work, learn and play, whilst achieving the city’s climate targets. It adds: “The proposed development creates physical, mental and fiscal wellbeing to the wider community of Peterborough.” It also states: “The vision is simple: to create an aspirational neighbourhood." peterboroughtoday 3/9/23
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Post by chrise on Sept 3, 2023 19:32:09 GMT
It is good to see objections are being made by supporters. However very little fight from the current management of the club. Very curious 😠😠😠😠😠. l will say no more. If I was in charge of the club I would not be making any comment either. We have four meetings left and things can be made very difficult for the club by AEPG in running those meetings. I know first hand how difficult it can be as tenants of the Showground. Don’t get me started on Andrew Mercer . . . . . Four meaningless meetings ! Sadly whatever the fate of the Panthers may be, top level speedway in the UK is finished.
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Post by rodders on Sept 3, 2023 20:36:16 GMT
If I was in charge of the club I would not be making any comment either. We have four meetings left and things can be made very difficult for the club by AEPG in running those meetings. I know first hand how difficult it can be as tenants of the Showground. Don’t get me started on Andrew Mercer . . . . . Four meaningless meetings ! Sadly whatever the fate of the Panthers may be, top level speedway in the UK is finished. Agree Speedway in this country largely in the hands of spivs and wide boys. Venues and tracks subject to greed and avarice of developers'
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Post by bratters on Sept 4, 2023 10:44:36 GMT
As at lunchtime on Monday 4th September there has been almost 300 comments/objections to AEPGs planning applications, which will force the closure of Peterborough Speedway, there is not a single positive comment.
This is great, but we need more people to comment/object.
MAKE YOUR COMMENTS NOW BY THE FOLLOWING WAY
Google Search ‘Peterborough City Council Planning Applications’
Search the planning register ‘Showground’
You will see the two applications references are: 23/00400/OUT and 23/00412OUT click on either and/or both
Click on documents
Click on associated documents
You will then see the comments/objections that have been already left there are 25 to a page. Go down the different page numbers to eventually find the planning application detail.
To make a comment/objection go back to the page where the associated documents link was and click the comments link.
Leave your comments/objections and press submit.
Anyone can comment/object. You can comment on both applications.
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Post by admin on Sept 4, 2023 12:46:19 GMT
As at lunchtime on Monday 4th September there has been almost 300 comments/objections to AEPGs planning applications, which will force the closure of Peterborough Speedway, there is not a single positive comment. This is great, but we need more people to comment/object. MAKE YOUR COMMENTS NOW BY THE FOLLOWING WAY Google Search ‘Peterborough City Council Planning Applications’ Search the planning register ‘Showground’ You will see the two applications references are: 23/00400/OUT and 23/00412OUT click on either and/or both Click on documents Click on associated documents You will then see the comments/objections that have been already left there are 25 to a page. Go down the different page numbers to eventually find the planning application detail. To make a comment/objection go back to the page where the associated documents link was and click the comments link. Leave your comments/objections and press submit. Anyone can comment/object. You can comment on both applications. We're only 15 members though and our guest numbers have dropped off a cliff and returned to normal so we need a wider promotion (which I'm sure that you're on) to bump up those numbers. Also, many don't use the internet so can't register an interest. Is there any way of identifying them and helping them register an objection? Yesterday my sister did point out a support post but this was clearly entered in error because the comment was clearly an objection.
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Post by bratters on Sept 4, 2023 14:51:09 GMT
Leaflets on how to object will be handed out at the next few meetings.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 5, 2023 15:21:00 GMT
Someone mentioned the National Planning Policy Framework today on the BSF, this deals with heritage sites that are deliberately neglected to enhance new planning applications and for Planning officials not to let the neglect affect the decision.
I am informed we need around 500 objections for the council to really take notice, so get complaining if you haven’t already done so.
On both applications 🤙
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2023 16:23:35 GMT
Someone mentioned the National Planning Policy Framework today on the BSF, this deals with heritage sites that are deliberately neglected to enhance new planning applications and for Planning officials not to let the neglect affect the decision. I am informed we need around 500 objections for the council to really take notice, so get complaining if you haven’t already done so. On both applications 🤙 Where does 500 come from? I know that that applies to an e-petition 8.1 If a petition contains more than 500 signatures from people who live, work or study in the Peterborough area, it is eligible for debate at a meeting of the Full Council. If the lead petitioner chooses this option the petition will be discussed at the next Councilmeeting. I know that that was on the cards so don't know if it was ditched is still on track? Wasn't aware that there was a number on objections?
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Post by admin on Sept 5, 2023 16:55:05 GMT
Someone mentioned the National Planning Policy Framework today on the BSF, this deals with heritage sites that are deliberately neglected to enhance new planning applications and for Planning officials not to let the neglect affect the decision. I am informed we need around 500 objections for the council to really take notice, so get complaining if you haven’t already done so. On both applications 🤙 National Planning Policy Framework
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Post by bratters on Sept 5, 2023 20:08:06 GMT
Someone mentioned the National Planning Policy Framework today on the BSF, this deals with heritage sites that are deliberately neglected to enhance new planning applications and for Planning officials not to let the neglect affect the decision. I am informed we need around 500 objections for the council to really take notice, so get complaining if you haven’t already done so. On both applications 🤙 Where does 500 come from? I know that that applies to an e-petition 8.1 If a petition contains more than 500 signatures from people who live, work or study in the Peterborough area, it is eligible for debate at a meeting of the Full Council. If the lead petitioner chooses this option the petition will be discussed at the next Councilmeeting. I know that that was on the cards so don't know if it was ditched is still on track?Wasn't aware that there was a number on objections? Not ditched, currently with the council for validation, going on how long it took them to validate the planning applications, get ready to sign it in February 2024. By the way the initial draft got completely butchered by our council ‘advisor’ so it will look nothing like what we both anticipated.
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