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Post by admin on Feb 7, 2024 16:47:58 GMT
He loves a cause and/or picture op MP calls for Peterborough City Council to back residents in dispute over use of Werrington Fields (peterboroughtoday 7/2/24) Peterborough MP Paul Bristow has backed residents in Werrington concerned at plans to fence off publicly accessible fields for use by a school. Now Mr Bristow has called on Peterborough City Council to think again and ensure that the Werrington Fields near Ken Stimpson Academy are not closed entirely to residents. His demand comes after the council announced last month that it needed to safeguard pupils who use the fields for play and would be progressing with plans to fence off the Fields. Although the EoES isn't officially his responsibility, the well-being of Peterborough citizens is. Which includes the benefits to them and profile to the city that Peterborough Speedway brings? At least Shailesh Vara has made a comment (not surprisingly to no effect) but we've not seen a peep from Bristow. He'll be out in 10 months anyway so he's running out of time to show where he sits!
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Post by rodders on Feb 8, 2024 20:07:07 GMT
So they have ripped up the track, demolished the pits area and removed seats from grandstand, so what has the council done? F - all!! At the most they will be told they have been very naughty and must not do it again. Council meeting called for 2035 to consider how to respond .
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Post by admin on Feb 8, 2024 21:12:13 GMT
So they have ripped up the track, demolished the pits area and removed seats from grandstand, so what has the council done? F - all!! At the most they will be told they have been very naughty and must not do it again. Council meeting called for 2035 to consider how to respond . PCC basically enabled the current 'cultural vandalism' so apart from redeeming themselves by refusing the planning applications and ripping up the whole monstrous project, I wouldn't expect too much from them. I'd still like to know how PCC got from their first draft local plan in 2015 to their final adopted version that potentially signalled our likely demise? East of England Showground
5.168 The East of England Showground is a unique facility with a wide variety of land uses. Further development relating to sporting, recreational events and other appropriate uses will be supported, in principle. Any proposal will be subject to an assessment of the environmental and traffic impacts on the adjoining residential areas and on the nearby village of Alwalton, and suitable measures will need to be taken to alleviate any adverse impacts.
5.169 The proposed policy below is broadly a carry over of policy SA18 in the current adopted development plan.
Policy LP31: East of England Showground
Within the East of England Showground, as shown on the Policies Map, planning permission will be granted for development for sport, leisure and other uses which would be appropriate to the existing Showground and which would not impair its continued use for that purpose. Proposals for development should not have an unacceptable adverse impact on the surrounding uses (especially on occupiers of nearby residential properties), and all development should ensure that the character of the area is maintained.
Funnily enough, in my planning objection I suggested that PCC missed an opportunity to do the above. I didn't realise that it was on the table but that they ignored it
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Post by rodders on Feb 8, 2024 22:44:31 GMT
Suggest naive in the extreme to even think that showground development would be curtailed to save Speedway. Despite what some may say it has been clear for a number of years that what is now happening was just around the corner. Successive promotions have failed to take this on board . Clearly most did not have the financial; clout to do otherwise.
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Post by admin on Feb 9, 2024 16:46:07 GMT
Suggest naive in the extreme to even think that showground development would be curtailed to save Speedway. Despite what some may say it has been clear for a number of years that what is now happening was just around the corner. Successive promotions have failed to take this on board . Clearly most did not have the financial; clout to do otherwise. Funnier things have happened. Everything is on the table until planning is approved. Yes we can all take the logical route, give up and follow the fantasy route of a new site which, if it could be found and financed, is years away and would be at what level? National League initially or Championship at best? That's just what AEPG would like us to do and basically certainly ends Peterborough Speedway as we knew it, if not entirely? It's not really about stopping the project. The 650 homes development is in the local plan (still like to know how PCC got there?), as is LP36 and LP30. The battle ground is the whole EoES project that AEPG are chancing their arm with. LP30, that PCC specifically included in the local plan, can't be actioned if both planning applications are approved. It's therefore no surprise that Butterfield said "It's important to make it really clear that AEPG and the EEAS have no obligation to support the Panthers financially, either hosting or finding a new site." - AEPG are doing their best to decommission Peterborough Speedway and distance themselves from any financial responsibility. They are making a mint, helping us would cost them small beer, but they and the EEAS don't want to give anything back! I agree that it's very disappointing how we've got here and some people need to have a serious word with themselves. We are where we are though: in big trouble but 2024 is not going to be the time to be negative
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Post by dribble on Feb 9, 2024 17:48:09 GMT
Although Brandon Stadium is in a dire mess looking at the pictures posted, with planning for housing declined they have a good chance of getting racing back to the stadium, they have investors and work party willing to get the stadium back up and running if they can agree a deal with Brandon Estates, the stadium would host not only speedway but stock cars, bangers, hotrods and maybe even dog racing with rents, commissions how ever it works could suit all parties concerned. As for Peterborough sadly the track, seats and every thing has been removed I think its gone to far for a return of the Panthers to the show ground even on a short term lease, as a point of interest I was told by a councillor that all council tax revenues raised from new builds goes to that council for the first 7 years after that council tax revenues goes to central government who then allocate a percentage back to that council, with 1600 houses planned work the figures out yourself and so would this sway any cash strapped council to permit development. Our small group could become Bee's supporters if it happens but would support the Panthers should they return to racing
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Post by admin on Feb 11, 2024 22:54:00 GMT
Although Brandon Stadium is in a dire mess looking at the pictures posted, with planning for housing declined they have a good chance of getting racing back to the stadium, they have investors and work party willing to get the stadium back up and running if they can agree a deal with Brandon Estates, the stadium would host not only speedway but stock cars, bangers, hotrods and maybe even dog racing with rents, commissions how ever it works could suit all parties concerned. As for Peterborough sadly the track, seats and every thing has been removed I think its gone to far for a return of the Panthers to the show ground even on a short term lease, as a point of interest I was told by a councillor that all council tax revenues raised from new builds goes to that council for the first 7 years after that council tax revenues goes to central government who then allocate a percentage back to that council, with 1600 houses planned work the figures out yourself and so would this sway any cash strapped council to permit development. Our small group could become Bee's supporters if it happens but would support the Panthers should they return to racing Its getting more desperate by the week, but that was always going to be the case with Chapman losing 2024 (not necessarily his fault entirely but he's been in charge for a fair period of time, did naff all outwardly in 2023 and likewise is going to do naff all going forward apart from holding on to the licence to be a hindrance) and giving AEPG every bit of PR they needed in 2023. AEPG was never going to leave the speedway and infrastructure alone. They'd set out their timetable. They certainly didn't need any resistance from a save the speedway campaign and without that I doubt that they would have done the damage that they have done and continue to do. They are doing their best to break the will of the remaining "passionate speedway fans" (to quote Butterfield) and some indeed seem to be buying it. Just remember that Peterborough Speedway was handed over to them in perfect working order at the end of 2023 so hopefully PCC are noting the deliberate neglect of the community asset. It's not over until it's over. The EEAS/AEPG are not playing the long game and they want this done, as their actions show. PCC are a big worry. They make a bit of noise but pound signs in front of their face does cause concern. Hopefully they also do the maths regarding the costs, strain on infrastructure and services that an additional 5000 people will bring? We do need a win though somewhere and quickly. We make a lot of noise without any effective resulting action. AEPG make little noise and just carry on regardless. I don't believe that the situation is lost but I'm not sure how long that view can last without that win of some description.
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Post by rodders on Feb 12, 2024 11:40:50 GMT
Although Brandon Stadium is in a dire mess looking at the pictures posted, with planning for housing declined they have a good chance of getting racing back to the stadium, they have investors and work party willing to get the stadium back up and running if they can agree a deal with Brandon Estates, the stadium would host not only speedway but stock cars, bangers, hotrods and maybe even dog racing with rents, commissions how ever it works could suit all parties concerned. As for Peterborough sadly the track, seats and every thing has been removed I think its gone to far for a return of the Panthers to the show ground even on a short term lease, as a point of interest I was told by a councillor that all council tax revenues raised from new builds goes to that council for the first 7 years after that council tax revenues goes to central government who then allocate a percentage back to that council, with 1600 houses planned work the figures out yourself and so would this sway any cash strapped council to permit development. Our small group could become Bee's supporters if it happens but would support the Panthers should they return to racing Its getting more desperate by the week, but that was always going to be the case with Chapman losing 2024 (not necessarily his fault entirely but he's been in charge for a fair period of time, did naff all outwardly in 2023 and likewise is going to do naff all going forward apart from holding on to the licence to be a hindrance) and giving AEPG every bit of PR they needed in 2023. AEPG was never going to leave the speedway and infrastructure alone. They'd set out their timetable. They certainly didn't need any resistance from a save the speedway campaign and without that I doubt that they would have done the damage that they have done and continue to do. They are doing their best to break the will of the remaining "passionate speedway fans" (to quote Butterfield) and some indeed seem to be buying it. Just remember that Peterborough Speedway was handed over to them in perfect working order at the end of 2023 so hopefully PCC are noting the deliberate neglect of the community asset. It's not over until it's over. The EEAS/AEPG are not playing the long game and they want this done, as their actions show. PCC are a big worry. They make a bit of noise but pound signs in front of their face does cause concern. Hopefully they also do the maths regarding the costs, strain on infrastructure and services that an additional 5000 people will bring? We do need a win though somewhere and quickly. We make a lot of noise without any effective resulting action. AEPG make little noise and just carry on regardless. I don't believe that the situation is lost but I'm not sure how long that view can last without that win of some description. As have continually said we are always several steps behind the game!! I think I also said some time ago that we needed to get a court order to prevent destruction and removal of anything Speedway related. Told at time not necessary as measures already in place. Well good luck with that one
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Post by admin on Feb 12, 2024 14:48:06 GMT
Its getting more desperate by the week, but that was always going to be the case with Chapman losing 2024 (not necessarily his fault entirely but he's been in charge for a fair period of time, did naff all outwardly in 2023 and likewise is going to do naff all going forward apart from holding on to the licence to be a hindrance) and giving AEPG every bit of PR they needed in 2023. AEPG was never going to leave the speedway and infrastructure alone. They'd set out their timetable. They certainly didn't need any resistance from a save the speedway campaign and without that I doubt that they would have done the damage that they have done and continue to do. They are doing their best to break the will of the remaining "passionate speedway fans" (to quote Butterfield) and some indeed seem to be buying it. Just remember that Peterborough Speedway was handed over to them in perfect working order at the end of 2023 so hopefully PCC are noting the deliberate neglect of the community asset. It's not over until it's over. The EEAS/AEPG are not playing the long game and they want this done, as their actions show. PCC are a big worry. They make a bit of noise but pound signs in front of their face does cause concern. Hopefully they also do the maths regarding the costs, strain on infrastructure and services that an additional 5000 people will bring? We do need a win though somewhere and quickly. We make a lot of noise without any effective resulting action. AEPG make little noise and just carry on regardless. I don't believe that the situation is lost but I'm not sure how long that view can last without that win of some description. As have continually said we are always several steps behind the game!! I think I also said some time ago that we needed to get a court order to prevent destruction and removal of anything Speedway related. Told at time not necessary as measures already in place. Well good luck with that one Think that sums it up Rodders which is why I say that we need a win of some description, preferably fairly quickly. All we hear is that we are going to do this that and the other as the AEPG wrecking ball just continues on regardless totally destroying the place. I'm pretty sure that they are entitled to do what they wish and they are well aware of any limits. PCC will not go near the place in terms of action, might make a bit of noise but be ignored anyway. At some point, possibly not too far away, if we are not already there, we will reach the point of no return when whoever is left fighting the cause will be chasing scraps within LP30. AEPG will say that the facility is no longer fit for purpose; the site is not viable to be redeveloped for a new community facility; and that the service provided is met by alternative provision that exists within reasonable proximity (Like saying Man United fans could go to Burnley, Bolton, Oldham, Stockport). The cherry on the cake for them is then using their preferred narrative of bigger, better and high profile. We know that that's cobblers but local councillors love such guff on their CV (just below the paragraph on cultural vandalism during their tenure which links to the EoES and Peterborough Speedway). Good luck indeed. We need some!
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Post by rodders on Feb 12, 2024 17:41:38 GMT
It would be nice to have an update from the consortium as to where they think we are and where we are going!!!!
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Post by admin on Feb 13, 2024 11:14:50 GMT
Interesting one I'd missed: 23/00400/OUT Public Comment Feb 2024 Customer made comments in support - I have an interest in this planning application as I am a trustee of the East of England Agricultural Society I will not bore you with the details, you can read it for yourself to check my understanding of the reading of it, but it's basically the we're wonderful, don't worry about the community and culture we're asking you to help us destroy, look at what we can do with the shedloads we'll make? If there is any agriculture or open countryside remaining anywhere in future years then we can educate those who wish to get away from this particular urban jungle we've saddled you with, or from the wider unattractive lifeless city that Peterborough is fast becoming. (those are my words, not theirs)
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Post by rodders on Feb 13, 2024 15:56:58 GMT
It would be nice to have an update from the consortium as to where they think we are and where we are going!!!! No response to my post makes you draw your own conclusions!!! As I have mentioned before the situation we are in inevitably creates an inner sanctum where those outside are not considered fit or entitled to know what is going on. However those on the outside are expected to give 100% support when required to do so. But what do mere mortals know ?
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Post by admin on Feb 13, 2024 17:09:17 GMT
It would be nice to have an update from the consortium as to where they think we are and where we are going!!!! No response to my post makes you draw your own conclusions!!! As I have mentioned before the situation we are in inevitably creates an inner sanctum where those outside are not considered fit or entitled to know what is going on. However those on the outside are expected to give 100% support when required to do so. But what do mere mortals know ? Not really Rodders. There's only Bratters on here and if he has seen it or been told then I wouldn't expect anything posted here tbh; fair question thought it was. I remember once getting a kicking from him on some forum somewhere when he said that it's not what you say but the way that you say it! Whilst it's disappointing that your post your hasn't as yet received a response (something could appear on Facebook (I'd post it here for you) or the ET) but he's already given an answer about the inner sanctum and banging that drum will not win friends and influence people. I try to avoid going down that rabbit hole these days. Just a thought
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Post by admin on Feb 13, 2024 17:24:18 GMT
Whilst it's disappointing that your post your hasn't as yet received a response ( something could appear on Facebook (I'd post it here for you) or the ET) Having said that, somebody posted something along similar lines on FB, albeit on the alternative supporters' page: "Can I please ask the consortium that I don't doubt are hard at work with the current demolition going on of the stadium and facilities. Do AEPG need planning to demolish the site, if so have they got it ? if they don't have consent then why are they being allowed to do so. The other question is if the above is being done with full permission surely that's got to be the end of racing at the showground and has there been any positive news of relocation in or around the city. - Thanks in advance."That similarly hasn't received a response.
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Post by rodders on Feb 13, 2024 18:57:25 GMT
Whilst it's disappointing that your post your hasn't as yet received a response ( something could appear on Facebook (I'd post it here for you) or the ET) Having said that, somebody posted something along similar lines on FB, albeit on the alternative supporters' page: "Can I please ask the consortium that I don't doubt are hard at work with the current demolition going on of the stadium and facilities. Do AEPG need planning to demolish the site, if so have they got it ? if they don't have consent then why are they being allowed to do so. The other question is if the above is being done with full permission surely that's got to be the end of racing at the showground and has there been any positive news of relocation in or around the city. - Thanks in advance."That similarly hasn't received a response. Agree mostly with what you say. However over the years those in the driving seat have largely adopted the position " do not criticise as you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes" If we were kept more informed arguably the criticism would be less.
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Post by admin on Feb 13, 2024 21:22:15 GMT
Having said that, somebody posted something along similar lines on FB, albeit on the alternative supporters' page: "Can I please ask the consortium that I don't doubt are hard at work with the current demolition going on of the stadium and facilities. Do AEPG need planning to demolish the site, if so have they got it ? if they don't have consent then why are they being allowed to do so. The other question is if the above is being done with full permission surely that's got to be the end of racing at the showground and has there been any positive news of relocation in or around the city. - Thanks in advance."That similarly hasn't received a response. Agree mostly with what you say. However over the years those in the driving seat have largely adopted the position " do not criticise as you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes" If we were kept more informed arguably the criticism would be less. I don't think that there is any doubt about that and have said as much myself for 20 years now. The only defence that I can make is that this isn't the run of the mill close season though with the nonsense team a day from Flappy or cryptic nonsense from Tomalin. I'd say that the consortium, if there still is one, doesn't want to play their hand in public. If that consortium still exists then I think I can have an educated guess about what their objective and sense of travel is. That's as much as I say on that as well because I'm still so pi***d that we ever got here in the first place
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Post by rodders on Feb 16, 2024 18:19:03 GMT
No answer is still the stern reply from the consortium!!! We have heard nothing from those on consortium other than Carl or Bratters. Do they still exist? Historically we know that put up and shut up is the preferred option of those in driving seat. You would have thought that a daily if not monthly update would be a good idea even if nothing to report
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Post by admin on Feb 16, 2024 18:36:33 GMT
AEPG Facebook (AEPG limited who can comment - y'know keen on consultation and Peterborough citizens' views )
14/2/24 - Today we heard the views of pupils from several schools as part of a meeting of Citizens UK Peterborough and other interested parties, asking us about everything from affordable housing to the possibility of restaurants, waterparks and zoos! While we can't promise all of those, we can promise the affordable housing - alongside outstanding leisure facilities for all ages.
16/2/24 - Here's the brilliant interview our CEO Ashley did this week with PCRFM, alongside Dave from Up The Garden Bath and Dilraj from Citizens UK Peterborough. Thanks also to Marriott Hotel Peterborough for hosting us. It explains our plans for the future and why we are so keen to engage with the young people of the city, looking forward not backwards. In Peterborough there is a need for new homes, a push to help reduce homelessness, and a lack of facilities to boost health, wellbeing and fitness - we aim to make a difference. The momentum is building towards something special for all ages, and we continue to gather support. Thank you to everyone who is involved.Don't know about brilliant? Just the usual free ride from some local jock. Have recorded it and will listen back to pick out anything relevant.
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Post by rodders on Feb 16, 2024 18:50:14 GMT
So where are the consortium? All that was required was a miniscule bit of showground retained for Speedway , but greed and avarice are a powerful driving force. Is there really anyone who genuinely thinks AEPG are in this for the good of the community rather than to make shed loads of money?
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Post by bratters on Feb 16, 2024 22:44:48 GMT
The only thing I can report is that we are waiting for an appointment with the leader of the council.
The Grandstand is not being demolished, it is being ‘decommissioned’ in so much as all they can do is remove the seats and the cladding at the back. It can’t be knocked down until they have planning permission (planning enforcement are watching) and in any case there is a lot of asbestos in the Grandstand which is costly to remove, expense is something AEPG do not want at this stage.
I foresee a period after the meeting with the council leader where not a lot will happen until we get to the point where the planning applications are discussed at council level. This could be a long time before it even happens, could even be next year, I have been told, which begs the question. . . . . yeah, I know what you’re thinking.
Further discussions with Buster are also to be scheduled before the end of March.
Essentially, not an awful lot is happening right now.
Keep the faith!
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Post by rodders on Feb 17, 2024 17:26:05 GMT
The only thing I can report is that we are waiting for an appointment with the leader of the council. The Grandstand is not being demolished, it is being ‘decommissioned’ in so much as all they can do is remove the seats and the cladding at the back. It can’t be knocked down until they have planning permission (planning enforcement are watching) and in any case there is a lot of asbestos in the Grandstand which is costly to remove, expense is something AEPG do not want at this stage. I foresee a period after the meeting with the council leader where not a lot will happen until we get to the point where the planning applications are discussed at council level. This could be a long time before it even happens, could even be next year, I have been told, which begs the question. . . . . yeah, I know what you’re thinking. Further discussions with Buster are also to be scheduled before the end of March. Essentially, not an awful lot is happening right now. Keep the faith! Thanks for response albeit somewhat late. I think that it is essential that you keep giving updates even if nothing to report as otherwise people lose interest, or give up caring.
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Post by admin on Feb 18, 2024 14:00:47 GMT
So where are the consortium? All that was required was a miniscule bit of showground retained for Speedway , but greed and avarice are a powerful driving force. Is there really anyone who genuinely thinks AEPG are in this for the good of the community rather than to make shed loads of money?That is Butterfield's big sell. I was just going to make a point on the latest AEPG PR with Peterborough Citizens, a Citizens UK Chapter (founded 2022 so hardly aware of the EoES history or what is being lost to the city) but just listening back it does require a more detailed effort. What is perhaps more concerning is that this: "Here's the interview our CEO did this week with PCRFM, alongside Dave from Up The Garden Bath and Dilraj from Citizens UK Peterborough." Was liked on Facebook by a PCC manager when the planning process is ongoing. You'd think that they'd steer clear of social media that's work related (didn't someone do that regarding our ACV application?) Not a great look IMHO for impartiality and fairness is it
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Post by admin on Feb 20, 2024 22:55:21 GMT
I foresee a period after the meeting with the council leader where not a lot will happen until we get to the point where the planning applications are discussed at council level. This could be a long time before it even happens, could even be next year, I have been told, which begs the question. . . . . yeah, I know what you’re thinking. I'm thinking: have they got any mugs to buy the land because their timetable is shot if your reading is correct? 1) Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last at the Showground because that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.
2) Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. 3) The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee decision. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Feb 21, 2024 16:07:21 GMT
I foresee a period after the meeting with the council leader where not a lot will happen until we get to the point where the planning applications are discussed at council level. This could be a long time before it even happens, could even be next year, I have been told, which begs the question. . . . . yeah, I know what you’re thinking. I'm thinking: have they got any mugs to buy the land because their timetable is shot if your reading is correct? 1) Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last at the Showground because that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.
2) Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. 3) The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee decision. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead. I think they have tentative bids with several building firms but I am informed these are of course subject to the appropriate planning approval being granted , without that they are worthless.
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Post by rodders on Feb 21, 2024 18:15:16 GMT
I'm thinking: have they got any mugs to buy the land because their timetable is shot if your reading is correct? 1) Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last at the Showground because that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.
2) Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. 3) The spades-in-the-ground date is still unclear until the planning committee decision. Plans are at the outline planning stage now, which will be referred to several more stages of detailed back-and-forth, no doubt, before anything can physically go ahead. I think they have tentative bids with several building firms but I am informed these are of course subject to the appropriate planning approval being granted , without that they are worthless. Given that the land has not yet been sold and probably will not be in immediate future seem crass stupidity to destroy income streams at this stage also to at this stage unnecessarily alienate others
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