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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 6:36:57 GMT
Just as you thought it couldnt get any worse! Champs said they wouldnt let it happen and he was right. A resurgent Panthers who were clearly the best Elite team in the second half of the season would have romped home to the title but have been robbed/cheated of a chance to prove it. The timing of the successful KL appeal added to the clear manipulation of Pooles 'win' at Belle Vue made it a real black Monday for us. I am yet to see a suitable explanation for the appeal decision and the joke that speedway makes the rules up as it goes along was clearly confirmed last night. You really couldnt make it up. The winter of discontent hasnt resolved a jot. The speedway hierarchy and we all know who they are have still got it in for Peterborough and I wouldnt blame Rick if he walked away from it all. The sport is corrupt to the very core and unless that cancer is removed nothing will ever get better.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 10, 2013 7:18:03 GMT
Just as you thought it couldnt get any worse! Champs said they wouldnt let it happen and he was right. A resurgent Panthers who were clearly the best Elite team in the second half of the season would have romped home to the title but have been robbed/cheated of a chance to prove it. The timing of the successful KL appeal added to the clear manipulation of Pooles 'win' at Belle Vue made it a real black Monday for us. I am yet to see a suitable explanation for the appeal decision and the joke that speedway makes the rules up as it goes along was clearly confirmed last night. You really couldnt make it up. The winter of discontent hasnt resolved a jot. The speedway hierarchy and we all know who they are have still got it in for Peterborough and I wouldnt blame Rick if he walked away from it all. The sport is corrupt to the very core and unless that cancer is removed nothing will ever get better. I will be taking steps to see if I can get something more on the ACU decision as to how they decided to allow the appeal because under the rules I don't see how they came to the conclusion they did. This sport has been corrupt from day 1 and is run for the benefit of a few promoters who have effectively had a stranglehold on it for decades, this desperately needs changing and to be fair fans are seriously voting with their feet which have brought the sport to the serious situation it is in now but until we have an independent body running it nothing will change. |
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Post by admin on Sept 10, 2013 7:35:20 GMT
This sport has been corrupt from day 1 and is run for the benefit of a few promoters who have effectively had a stranglehold on it for decades, this desperately needs changing and to be fair fans are seriously voting with their feet which have brought the sport to the serious situation it is in now but until we have an independent body running it nothing will change.Would it make any difference  Role of the SCBFormed in 2003 the Speedway Control Bureau (formerly known as the Speedway Control Board since 1948) is authorised by the Auto Cycle Union to act as the recognised Governing Body for Speedway racing in Great Britain. Accordingly the SCB each year produces a Rule Book know as the Speedway Regulations which covers all aspects of the National sport including the general rules of the Auto Cycle Union (disciplinary), the BSPA Rules (Team Formations, Meeting Rules) as well as Regulations concerning Technical, Medical and other Legislative matters. Financed entirely by fees generated through Track Licences, Rider Registrations and Officials Licence fees the SCB seeks to act as the independent body to ensure that the BSPA, Members Track, Riders and Officials all act within the Rules and Regulations of the SCB and most importantly within the best interest of Speedway motorcycle racing.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 10, 2013 9:08:05 GMT
This sport has been corrupt from day 1 and is run for the benefit of a few promoters who have effectively had a stranglehold on it for decades, this desperately needs changing and to be fair fans are seriously voting with their feet which have brought the sport to the serious situation it is in now but until we have an independent body running it nothing will change.Would it make any difference Role of the SCBFormed in 2003 the Speedway Control Bureau (formerly known as the Speedway Control Board since 1948) is authorised by the Auto Cycle Union to act as the recognised Governing Body for Speedway racing in Great Britain. Accordingly the SCB each year produces a Rule Book know as the Speedway Regulations which covers all aspects of the National sport including the general rules of the Auto Cycle Union (disciplinary), the BSPA Rules (Team Formations, Meeting Rules) as well as Regulations concerning Technical, Medical and other Legislative matters. Financed entirely by fees generated through Track Licences, Rider Registrations and Officials Licence fees the SCB seeks to act as the independent body to ensure that the BSPA, Members Track, Riders and Officials all act within the Rules and Regulations of the SCB and most importantly within the best interest of Speedway motorcycle racing.
They seem as dodgy as the rest? The fact that Harkess and CVS are officers of the SCB says it all, independent they are not |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 12:19:12 GMT
Shan't say I told you so but......
The winter of discontent continues to bite Panthers on the ar$e. We will never win anything while we fight from the outside looking in, they will never allow it, much easier to run with the pack and fight from the inside without them knowing or realising, but it's irrelevant until we have the ability to pick a winning side. Sadly we don't.
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Post by admin on Sept 10, 2013 13:38:46 GMT
Shan't say I told you so but...... The winter of discontent continues to bite Panthers on the ar$e. We will never win anything while we fight from the outside looking in, they will never allow it, much easier to run with the pack and fight from the inside without them knowing or realising, but it's irrelevant until we have the ability to pick a winning side. Sadly we don't. I'd imagine that Rick'd throw in the towel rather than roll over to have his tummy tickled by that lot. Was 2010 all our fault? Did we ever get to the bottom of what it was about Having said that, for anyone starting then your route is best but we've gone way past that. If you put the first and last bit together then you could ignore the rest: "We will never win anything until we have the ability to pick a winning side." |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 14:40:32 GMT
The whole episode has turned into a 3 act tragedy: In act 1 Panthers are beaten by Kings Lynn's illegal team but are rescued when the points of the unlawful team member are taken from the underhand team and league points presented to the rightful winners... but wait.... for no given reason this decision is reversed handing an opportunity to 2 other teams to progress to the end of season party, slamming the door in the face of The Panthers. This is good news for the party planners Sky TV and their hosts 'The Screech Twins' Act 2, Just in case Act 1 didnt work Poole (Who are loved by the party planners and The twins) manage to 'win' by the required 7 point margin at Belle Vue needed to give them the maximum points they could get in order to gatecrash the party. This could have backfired but luckily enough points in the bag when Mr Steele says enough is enough! Now to Act 3 - The first part requires Birmingham getting points off that underhand team Kings Lynn (shouldnt be a problem) leaving the finale at Blunsden..... will Swindon try to loose at home to Lakeside who are the only thing standing between The Screech Twins actually welcoming their favorites to the party? ? At the end of the day - the way I feel at the moment - I dont really care, even if Lakeside did win I am sure the result would be reversed for some strange unheard of reason!! So who gives a stuff? ? |
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Post by rodders on Sept 10, 2013 14:49:26 GMT
Just confirms what we already knew Speedway is run by a cartel of Spivs & Wide Boys for the benefit of the chosen few . It is totally rotten and stinks to the core. Not one iota of decency or integrity amongst the lot of them.
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Post by admin on Sept 10, 2013 15:04:21 GMT
Just confirms what we already knew Speedway is run by a cartel of Spivs & Wide Boys for the benefit of the chosen few . It is totally rotten and stinks to the core. Not one iota of decency or integrity amongst the lot of them. It gets worse though. They are going to bring a bright new dawn in 2014 when it all honesty if they'd have been in horse-racing they'd have been warned off by the jockey club for 10 years at least |
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Post by rodders on Sept 10, 2013 15:13:00 GMT
Just confirms what we already knew Speedway is run by a cartel of Spivs & Wide Boys for the benefit of the chosen few . It is totally rotten and stinks to the core. Not one iota of decency or integrity amongst the lot of them. It gets worse though. They are going to bring a bright new dawn in 2014 when it all honesty if they'd have been in horse-racing they'd have been warned off by the jockey club for 10 years at least If it was Horse Racing they would all have been put down |
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Post by admin on Sept 10, 2013 21:20:53 GMT
And up pops the chief clown  POOLE promoter Matt Ford has insisted Swindon Robins are ‘far too good’ to even think about intentionally dropping points against Lakeside.Swindon captain Andersen suggested in the Advertiser that the Robins could consider their options ahead of the meeting with the Hammers depending on who they wanted to face in the play-offs, but team manager Alun Rossiter was quick to insist his side would be doing everything they can to win. If Poole can win at Belle Vue on Monday the Hammers will need to pick up something at Blunsdon to keep hold of fourth place and secure a spot in the play-offs, and Wimborne Road chief Ford is certain the Robins will be doing their best to win.
7:00am Friday 6th September & no mention of Peterborough. It's like he knew the SCB decision! swindonadvertiser - Poole_boss_expects_Swindon_to_beat_Lakeside/ |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 21:43:17 GMT
We only have ourselves to blame, Two years running the side ending the season has been miles better than the side starting the season.
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Post by admin on Sept 10, 2013 21:52:20 GMT
We only have ourselves to blame, Two years running the side ending the season has been miles better than the side starting the season. I think that we've established that. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 8:22:17 GMT
Why do we put up with this? It seems to me that nothing ever changes and the fans put up with all of the cr4p that is thrown at them by BSPA/SCB every season. Certain promoters (and I dont include Rick here) are so engulfed in their own self importance that they have lost or forgotten the reason why they came into the sport in the first place. Any other sport would have organised boycotts etc but that will never happen. Whilst people think that the like of Poole can do no wrong and the control board (or whatever they call themselves) has a rule book written in invisible ink or pencil and makes unaccountable decisions that ultimately affect the financial status of those clubs not in the inner circle we are doomed. We are still paying for the winter of discontent and I wouldnt blame any reasonable person for walking away from the sport. The decks are clearly loaded in favour of certain individuals and their associated clubs and always will be.  |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 11, 2013 9:23:07 GMT
Why do we put up with this? It seems to me that nothing ever changes and the fans put up with all of the cr4p that is thrown at them by BSPA/SCB every season. Certain promoters (and I dont include Rick here) are so engulfed in their own self importance that they have lost or forgotten the reason why they came into the sport in the first place. Any other sport would have organised boycotts etc but that will never happen. Whilst people think that the like of Poole can do no wrong and the control board (or whatever they call themselves) has a rule book written in invisible ink or pencil and makes unaccountable decisions that ultimately affect the financial status of those clubs not in the inner circle we are doomed. We are still paying for the winter of discontent and I wouldnt blame any reasonable person for walking away from the sport. The decks are clearly loaded in favour of certain individuals and their associated clubs and always will be. Always has been and always will be whilst those in charge hold onto the power. Until an independent body is running things nothing will change although I do agree with champs in that you should play them at their own game from within. |
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Post by admin on Sept 11, 2013 10:11:09 GMT
Until an independent body is running things nothing will change although I do agree with champs in that you should play them at their own game from within. And how do you fight from within when you're only cannon fodder? The chiefs are still there making a self interest dogs' dinner of it and feeding scraps to make you feel part of the process. We seemed to fight from within (perhaps not in the right way?) but the other Indians wet themselves and the beast in charge was only stunned and it'll never forget who did it. He's chased off one and his lieutenant but he's having difficulty chasing off the other. |
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Post by admin on Sept 11, 2013 12:13:25 GMT
26/07/2013 – A phone rings at SCBMF – Hello, it’s me your favourite sort of blond SCB – Kylie? MF – No SCB – Robbie Savage? MF – No, it’s Matty. I have done it again and used the latest greensheets to pull off a major signing that will excite you and our paymasters Sky, just like I have done in the past and signed Greg Hancock. SCB – Excellent work again Matty. I will alert Sky to change their schedule to show the Pirates as much as is possible for the remainder of the season. This is good news as it means that Poole will now look odds on for the playoffs and you know how much Sky hate it when you have no involvement. 14/08/2013 – A phone rings at SCB MF – It’s your third favourite sort of blond. SCB – Hello Matty, what’s up? MF – We have just been turned over by the Panthers, and to be honest since they have done a “Poole” and rejigged their side they are looking like title winners and I am worried they may do a “Coventry” and come through to take our, sorry, the title.  SCB – I see, that will not do. Sky will be devastated to have the playoffs without Poole again. Leave it with me. Worst case scenario I will see if we can do something. 09/09/2013 – A phone rings at SCB MF – Guess who, no actually don’t. It’s Matty SCB – Hi Matty. What’s up? MF – I am still concerned about the Panthers taking our spot. We need to get something out of the trip tonight and the whether looks atrocious, plus Panthers have two meetings at home which I think they will get maximum points from.SCB – Fear not Matty. You remember when Kings Lynn fielded an illegible rider and we had to give those trouble making Panthers extra points. MF – Yes SCB – Well, we have looked at Kings Lynn’s appeal and although we have not told the Panthers management, we are going to reverse the decision really late today, so that Panthers have no time to respond. We might not even phone them up either, but send a message by other means. I will then take the phone off the hook so all you have to do is go and win at Belle Vue. Matty, it’s in the bag.MF – What about the rain though? If it cannot be run tonight I don’t know when we will fit it in SCB – It’s ok. I have spoken to Sky and it will go on until you have won, regardless of the conditions. If it comes to it we will ring up Doncaster Rovers as I see their players are quite good at removing water from a playing surface.[/b] MF – But what about the paying public at Belle Vue, the watching viewers on the TV and those Panthers fans who will no doubt be left feeling very distraught by things.
SCB – Don’t worry about them Matty. We never do.The End ;D 
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 11, 2013 12:26:32 GMT
Until an independent body is running things nothing will change although I do agree with champs in that you should play them at their own game from within. And how do you fight from within when you're only cannon fodder? The chiefs are still there making a self interest dogs' dinner of it and feeding scraps to make you feel part of the process. We seemed to fight from within (perhaps not in the right way?) but the other Indians wet themselves and the beast in charge was only stunned and it'll never forget who did it. He's chased off one and his lieutenant but he's having difficulty chasing off the other. Well I don't have all the answers but I do know a man who does and funnily enough he was at the match the other night. |
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Post by admin on Sept 11, 2013 13:02:39 GMT
And how do you fight from within when you're only cannon fodder? The chiefs are still there making a self interest dogs' dinner of it and feeding scraps to make you feel part of the process. We seemed to fight from within (perhaps not in the right way?) but the other Indians wet themselves and the beast in charge was only stunned and it'll never forget who did it. He's chased off one and his lieutenant but he's having difficulty chasing off the other. Well I don't have all the answers but I do know a man who does and funnily enough he was at the match the other night. You know a man who knows some answers but whether they are the right ones is open to debate. But what isn't in doubt is that we'd not be in this mess if he wasn't just an occasional visitor these days, but that's a different argument (at least the bar wouldn't shut early). Somewhat self inflicted generally though at the risk of repeating myself. Will the inbreds play nicely if Rick rolls over and goes with the flow? I doubt it. Whatever went on in 2010 they ain't going to forget unless enough of them grow some & see what they've become, but that ain't gonna happen either! |
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Post by rodders on Sept 11, 2013 13:13:37 GMT
Well I don't have all the answers but I do know a man who does and funnily enough he was at the match the other night. You know a man who knows some answers but whether they are the right ones is open to debate. But what isn't in doubt is that we'd not be in this mess if he wasn't just an occasional visitor these days, but that's a different argument (at least the bar wouldn't shut early). Somewhat self inflicted generally though at the risk of repeating myself. Will the inbreds play nicely if Rick rolls over and goes with the flow? I doubt it. Whatever went on in 2010 they ain't going to forget unless enough of them grow some & see what they've become, but that ain't gonna happen either! Yes I saw Mr Bratley there as well!!! |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 11, 2013 15:53:51 GMT
Well I don't have all the answers but I do know a man who does and funnily enough he was at the match the other night. You know a man who knows some answers but whether they are the right ones is open to debate. But what isn't in doubt is that we'd not be in this mess if he wasn't just an occasional visitor these days, but that's a different argument (at least the bar wouldn't shut early). Somewhat self inflicted generally though at the risk of repeating myself. Will the inbreds play nicely if Rick rolls over and goes with the flow? I doubt it. Whatever went on in 2010 they ain't going to forget unless enough of them grow some & see what they've become, but that ain't gonna happen either! Well he knows how to react to and play with the big boys and he put the 2006 side together so one assumes he knows more than a lot of them. Several other clubs have offered him jobs so clearly others think he is capable as well. |
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Post by rodders on Sept 11, 2013 16:36:24 GMT
You know a man who knows some answers but whether they are the right ones is open to debate. But what isn't in doubt is that we'd not be in this mess if he wasn't just an occasional visitor these days, but that's a different argument (at least the bar wouldn't shut early). Somewhat self inflicted generally though at the risk of repeating myself. Will the inbreds play nicely if Rick rolls over and goes with the flow? I doubt it. Whatever went on in 2010 they ain't going to forget unless enough of them grow some & see what they've become, but that ain't gonna happen either! Well he knows how to react to and play with the big boys and he put the 2006 side together so one assumes he knows more than a lot of them. Several other clubs have offered him jobs so clearly others think he is capable as well. Bring him back assuming we are running next season. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2013 19:23:07 GMT
And another thing..........
Hasnt a precedent now been set that if both clubs agree the result can stand after any heat? So in theory after 2 x 5-1's a meeting could be abandoned and the result stands or is that only the Poole rule book?
Two teams who cannot complete 15 heats cannot/should not be able to decide the outcome of a meeting that has so many other impact factors on other teams.
Its either after heat 12 or its not. If I was a very rich man id be getting my legal eagles on the case.
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Post by davet on Sept 11, 2013 19:57:31 GMT
Just a thought........
The season always used to end with a challenge match. Could Rick be persuaded to challenge the "winners" over 2 legs?
Would be interesting to see if the challenge was accepted!
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 11, 2013 20:33:57 GMT
And another thing.......... Hasnt a precedent now been set that if both clubs agree the result can stand after any heat? So in theory after 2 x 5-1's a meeting could be abandoned and the result stands or is that only the Poole rule book? Two teams who cannot complete 15 heats cannot/should not be able to decide the outcome of a meeting that has so many other impact factors on other teams. Its either after heat 12 or its not. If I was a very rich man id be getting my legal eagles on the case. Heat 10 Luke, changed at last years AGM |
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