|
|
Post by admin on Sept 19, 2023 9:00:59 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 19, 2023 10:13:47 GMT
Latest objection 19/9/23: "These applications represent a plan to turn 60+ hectares of land
available for leisure pursuits into a housing estate. This is not a 'leisure-led' plan. It is
housing-led and the continuing references to 'leisure' are based on misplaced
assumptions about the gullibility of the public."
b0252 And the gullibility of PCC and it's planning department/committee, or hopefully not!  |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 19, 2023 15:26:41 GMT
23/00412/OUT - Representation from Consultee (Web) - Environment Agency 19/09/2023
Environment Agency position
In the absence of an acceptable Flood Risk Assessment (FRA) we object to this
application and recommend that planning permission is refused.
b0252
Overcoming our objection
To overcome our objection, the applicant should submit a revised Flood Risk Assessment (FRA) which addresses our concerns.
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 20, 2023 12:56:04 GMT
Must be stung by the objections because AEPG have had to resort to artists' impressions - An AEPG spokesperson said: “These are artist impressions, albeit they are based on the AEPG vision of the overall development’s look and feel.  www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/people/in-pictures-how-multi-million-pound-homes-and-leisure-village-could-look-at-east-of-england-showground-4341848?page=2Ever seen an artist's impression become reality? no me neither Detailed planning applications for the residential land will be submitted by the housing developer that buys the land earmarked for housing from the East of England Agricultural Society, which still owns the Showground. - you can tie that up with a previous statement: Peterborough Panthers speedway team informed in 2022 that the 2023 season would sadly have to be their last in the Showground grandstand, as that area is expected to be under different ownership by the time the 2024 Speedway season begins.Additionally & crucially though: Sale of the land is expected to be approved by Spring 2024, again subject to planning approval. |
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 20, 2023 13:17:31 GMT
If the sale of the land goes ahead to whoever the housing developer may be, and planning not approved , then surely Panthers can rent from them. Still think it is vital that it can be shown that there is a credible and funded plan top show that there is viable alternative site for new track.
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 20, 2023 15:42:54 GMT
If the sale of the land goes ahead to whoever the housing developer may be, and planning not approved, then surely Panthers can rent from them. Still think it is vital that it can be shown that there is a credible and funded plan to show that there is viable alternative site for new track. Bottom line is that there is no reason that Panthers can't operate at the EoES for several seasons irrespective, as Chapman eluded to a year ago. Indeed if PCC scrapped the whole residential housing, under the guise of leisure and environment, money making scam then they could build a complex incorporating The Arena and Peterborough Speedway, along with some of the sensible aspects of the AEPG proposal. That would mean that we never leave. However, if common sense doesn't prevail then a 3 or 4 year contract to take us up to the new local plan would at least give some certainty and time to look elsewhere in the city if need be, not that I believe it'll ever happen that someone will fund and build anything that matches our Alwalton circuit? |
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 20, 2023 16:19:54 GMT
It is quite clear to me and it should have been to most that in the long term there is no future for Panthers at EOES . Successive Promoters have ignored this probably understandably as nobody other than Frost had the finances available to do otherwise. To reiterate we need to secure 2/3 more years at Showground and concentrate on finding a new home. I am not local so do not know but to me the Dog Track seems the solution. That was Danny Dunton's original plan
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 20, 2023 19:29:48 GMT
23/00412/OUT comment summing up 20/9/23:
To me this comes across and a get rich quick scheme from AEPG. The CEO has openly/allegedly said
this is his retirement project, they do not care what the people of Peterborough want
and they clearly don't have the know how to successfully produce a project if this scale.
The whole thing needs a re think before any planning should be approved
b0252
|
|
bratters
Championship poster.
Posts: 165
|
Post by bratters on Sept 20, 2023 19:38:21 GMT
It is quite clear to me and it should have been to most that in the long term there is no future for Panthers at EOES . Successive Promoters have ignored this probably understandably as nobody other than Frost had the finances available to do otherwise. To reiterate we need to secure 2/3 more years at Showground and concentrate on finding a new home. I am not local so do not know but to me the Dog Track seems the solution. That was Danny Dunton's original plan The dog track is now a lorry park. |
|
bratters
Championship poster.
Posts: 165
|
Post by bratters on Sept 20, 2023 19:41:47 GMT
There’s been some pretty strong objections in recent days, but today’s objection on the 850 proposal from Milton Estates via there agents/solicitors is pretty damning. I never realised they owned so much of the Showground, I thought they just owned a small parcel. They don’t, it’s huge. Feels like a game changer to me.
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 20, 2023 21:07:28 GMT
There’s been some pretty strong objections in recent days, but today’s objection on the 850 proposal from Milton Estates via there agents/solicitors is pretty damning. I never realised they owned so much of the Showground, I thought they just owned a small parcel. They don’t, it’s huge. Feels like a game changer to me. Still waiting for a reply from PCC about what evidence AEPG provided to council about not needing to adhere to LP30. |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 22, 2023 15:15:51 GMT
Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023 b0252 PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS Recommendation: Objection
Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful     Further to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design & resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions. |
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 22, 2023 15:51:09 GMT
Big piece on my PC about this under Cambridgeshire News!!!
|
|
bratters
Championship poster.
Posts: 165
|
Post by bratters on Sept 22, 2023 22:13:06 GMT
Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023  PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS Recommendation: Objection
Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful View AttachmentView AttachmentFurther to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design &
resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment
provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions. That’s probably cemented a rubbish weekend for Ashley Butternuts. Love it. |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 24, 2023 8:54:15 GMT
Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023 PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS Recommendation: Objection
Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful View AttachmentView AttachmentFurther to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design &
resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment
provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions. That’s probably cemented a rubbish weekend for Ashley Butternuts. Love it. I suspect not. Put enough applications out there and someone will fall for the guff somewhere at some point. Developers play percentages and the long game. We can just hope that PCC see this for the loser that it obviously is. |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 25, 2023 19:24:38 GMT
Comments for Planning Application 23/00412/OUT - Another corker b0252 I nearly wet myself reading this one. Not only ripping the application to bits, but also Butterfield & AEPG  well worth a full read: 23/00412/OUT - Public Comment - East Of England Way Orton Northgate - 25/09/2023 Just for us though: Speedway - It is a disgrace that the Peterborough Speedway track is being replaced. This
has been an integral part of the Peterborough community for years and years. The
Council should be stepping in and not allowing such an important part of Peterborough
be destroyed for nothing but greed. This also goes against the Peterborough Local Palm
(linked above - PAGE 93), which states "the loss of any existing leisure and sports
facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided". Removing the
Speedway is a loss of a sports facility, how is this being replaced? Please do not try and
tell me "family golf" is a suitable replacement when we have 3 mini golf courses in
Peterborough already (Dobbies, Glow Golf and Puttstars - if not more?!). Speedway is
unique and should be treasured in our City!
|
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 25, 2023 21:19:53 GMT
Comments for Planning Application 23/00412/OUT - Another corker b0252 I nearly wet myself reading this one. Not only ripping the application to bits, but also Butterfield & AEPG well worth a full read: 23/00412/OUT - Public Comment - East Of England Way Orton Northgate - 25/09/2023 Just for us though: Speedway - It is a disgrace that the Peterborough Speedway track is being replaced. This
has been an integral part of the Peterborough community for years and years. The
Council should be stepping in and not allowing such an important part of Peterborough
be destroyed for nothing but greed. This also goes against the Peterborough Local Palm
(linked above - PAGE 93), which states "the loss of any existing leisure and sports
facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided". Removing the
Speedway is a loss of a sports facility, how is this being replaced? Please do not try and
tell me "family golf" is a suitable replacement when we have 3 mini golf courses in
Peterborough already (Dobbies, Glow Golf and Puttstars - if not more?!). Speedway is
unique and should be treasured in our City!
This I think was what I referred to in my post some days ago . Only picked up by Hodgy |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 25, 2023 21:38:36 GMT
Comments for Planning Application 23/00412/OUT - Another corker b0252 I nearly wet myself reading this one. Not only ripping the application to bits, but also Butterfield & AEPG well worth a full read: 23/00412/OUT - Public Comment - East Of England Way Orton Northgate - 25/09/2023 Just for us though: Speedway - It is a disgrace that the Peterborough Speedway track is being replaced. This
has been an integral part of the Peterborough community for years and years. The
Council should be stepping in and not allowing such an important part of Peterborough
be destroyed for nothing but greed. This also goes against the Peterborough Local Palm
(linked above - PAGE 93), which states "the loss of any existing leisure and sports
facilities will not be supported unless replacement facilities are provided". Removing the
Speedway is a loss of a sports facility, how is this being replaced? Please do not try and
tell me "family golf" is a suitable replacement when we have 3 mini golf courses in
Peterborough already (Dobbies, Glow Golf and Puttstars - if not more?!). Speedway is
unique and should be treasured in our City!
This I think was what I referred to in my post some days ago . Only picked up by Hodgy In what respect? I looked at the article and it wasn't anything special so I didn't bother responding or posting the URL, which would have been a better post in the first place. |
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 26, 2023 7:24:38 GMT
This I think was what I referred to in my post some days ago . Only picked up by Hodgy In what respect? I looked at the article and it wasn't anything special so I didn't bother responding or posting the URL, which would have been a better post in the first place. Ouch!!! Had I known how to post the link, I would have done it. |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 26, 2023 9:20:34 GMT
|
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 26, 2023 19:00:16 GMT
Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023 PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS Recommendation: Objection
Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful Further to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design &
resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment
provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions. That’s probably cemented a rubbish weekend for Ashley Butternuts. Love it. You'd think that someone else has been reading www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/people/new-call-for-peterboroughs-speedway-track-to-become-parkland-in-east-of-england-showground-development-4349652 b0252 |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 26, 2023 19:36:54 GMT
AEPG allegedly said: Did you see the Telegraph's article unveiling our beautiful view of the future at the Showground site? It was a lovely artist's impression |
|
bratters
Championship poster.
Posts: 165
|
Post by bratters on Sept 27, 2023 13:46:09 GMT
The ET suggest that the track be turned into a parkland, but that’s not the way I am reading the objection. |
|
|
|
Post by admin on Sept 27, 2023 16:50:22 GMT
The ET suggest that the track be turned into a parkland, but that’s not the way I am reading the objection. It's just the headline that's a bit confusing but the article is pretty accurate: (never trust a headline, especially if you read the Daily Mail). "He says the speedway track, which has been home to Peterborough Panthers for 53 years and will disappear as part of the development, should become part of the proposed Main Park"
"PCC OS says the proposed Main Park needs to be made bigger and and ‘should actually be the current main Showground outdoor speedway and events area."The objection diagram is a bit confusing as well with the hatching and blue surrounding line which I take to be the circular road? But who knows? The objection text says: " Main Neighbourhood Park with speedway track to be circular road around perimeter": Parkland is therefore just the name given to this yet to be defined area that includes the speedway circuit and stand. Good to see this bit highlighted and AEPG getting their knuckles rapped: "more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground" |
|
|
|
Post by rodders on Sept 27, 2023 17:07:27 GMT
Naturally we live in hope!! I have been involved in a few things locally and whilst those in charge give lip service and therefore false hope, in the event speak generally with forked tongues. I am sure I have mentioned this before but remember one local councilor phoning me over a particular issue and said "we do not really care unless an issue effects our own patch".
I have not seen it mentioned but what has local MP had to say about all this?
|
|
