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Post by admin on Oct 10, 2023 21:40:38 GMT
One wonders where all this is going!!! Developers seem to be clear that they will not have Speedway back even if planning refused. Have to say that I agree Rodders. We're just treading water now. We can only hope that something really is going on in the background. I'll give it a month or so before I lose interest. I've no enthusiasm to take a step backwards to go forwards so if that's the plan then I'm out! |
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Post by admin on Oct 10, 2023 21:56:03 GMT
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Post by admin on Oct 10, 2023 23:33:08 GMT
Saying LP30 and LP36 doesn’t specifically mention Speedway LOL why would it? What other sports take place at the Showground? Clowns. Indeed! And although we are where we are it's worth looking at the AEPG Design and Access Statement and how we got here: The Showground site was offered to Peterborough City Council to allocate for housing and employment uses, to meet the needs of the city as it continues to grow. The Peterborough Local Plan was subsequently adopted by the Council in July 2019 with an allocation development at the Showground site.So PCC could have said no at that stage(and they must therefore accept some of the blame for Panthers predicament) but they didn't and included LP36 & LP30. Their mistake was not to put in a clause saying that Peterborough Speedway runs until that part of the local plan is adhered to. Their only get out is that they say that they agree with AEPG that speedway was not specifically mentioned (that'd be a stretch), or that they've swallowed the AEPG document (that we've yet to see) that gets them out of LP30, and that's a bigger stretch! |
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Post by admin on Oct 11, 2023 17:30:42 GMT
23/00400/OUT at 987 records. They may not be all objections (some are application information documents) but most are and to see it hit 1000 would be a sight to behold b0252
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Post by rodders on Oct 12, 2023 15:17:56 GMT
From BSF it would seem they are removing shale and other activities happening around pits area. Thought Bratters had said moves had been made to prevent removal, destruction of Speedway infrastructure.
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Post by bratters on Oct 12, 2023 15:31:39 GMT
From BSF it would seem they are removing shale and other activities happening around pits area. Thought Bratters had said moves had been made to prevent removal, destruction of Speedway infrastructure. The relevant authorities have been made aware of this. |
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Post by rodders on Oct 12, 2023 16:36:08 GMT
From BSF it would seem they are removing shale and other activities happening around pits area. Thought Bratters had said moves had been made to prevent removal, destruction of Speedway infrastructure. The relevant authorities have been made aware of this. What then are the relevant authorities doing or likely to do about it? Could of course be that this has been instigated , by well known philanthropist . paragon and virtue and staunch Peterborough supporter the saintly Mr Chapman. |
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Post by bratters on Oct 12, 2023 19:15:51 GMT
The relevant authorities have been made aware of this. What then are the relevant authorities doing or likely to do about it? Could of course be that this has been instigated , by well known philanthropist . paragon and virtue and staunch Peterborough supporter the saintly Mr Chapman. The authorities will follow their processes. Should have more to say on this, this time tomorrow. Definitely NOT instigated by Mr Chapman. |
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Post by admin on Oct 12, 2023 20:08:34 GMT
As bratters would say, you couldn't make this stuff up!
Whoever does the AEPG Facebook page certainly has a sense of humour - do they actually write and post this guff with a straight face:
Not long now runners...Sunday promises to be an excellent day. Proud to support one of the city's great events!
It's such a tragic and ignorant offering that I can't even be bothered to reply further here.
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2023 9:17:38 GMT
23/00400/OUT at 987 records. They may not be all objections (some are application information documents) but most are and to see it hit 1000 would be a sight to behold b0252 995 planning documents without any Friday additions - should hit a 1000 next week, with approaching 900 of those being objections (100 or so supporting documents making up the total). |
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2023 15:43:04 GMT
Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023 b0252 PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS Recommendation: Objection
Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications  Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful    Further to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design & resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions. I see that a much changed version of this objection has appeared. Did anyone save the original? Wonder if an FoI would get the original? |
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Post by rodders on Oct 13, 2023 16:56:48 GMT
What then are the relevant authorities doing or likely to do about it? Could of course be that this has been instigated , by well known philanthropist . paragon and virtue and staunch Peterborough supporter the saintly Mr Chapman. The authorities will follow their processes. Should have more to say on this, this time tomorrow. Definitely NOT instigated by Mr Chapman. What is latest situation on this one? |
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Post by rodders on Oct 13, 2023 17:35:28 GMT
The authorities will follow their processes. Should have more to say on this, this time tomorrow. Definitely NOT instigated by Mr Chapman. What is latest situation on this one? Council take this so seriously that an emergency meeting has been arranged for 4th January. A spokesman said the arrogant disregard shown by the Applicants must be met with a draconian response and as such we will press for them to be sent to bed without their suppers for 3 days and write out 100 times I will endeavour to be decent . |
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Post by bratters on Oct 13, 2023 18:09:50 GMT
The authorities will follow their processes. Should have more to say on this, this time tomorrow. Definitely NOT instigated by Mr Chapman. What is latest situation on this one? Planning enforcement officers and our local councillor attended the Showground today, that in itself will tell AEPG that they are being watched. The track is being dug up by Buster and his team but this is under instructions from AEPG, which shows how naive they are if they think this will quieten supporters down. It won’t, it’ll strengthen the supporters resolve. |
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Post by rodders on Oct 13, 2023 19:12:54 GMT
What is latest situation on this one? Planning enforcement officers and our local councillor attended the Showground today, that in itself will tell AEPG that they are being watched. The track is being dug up by Buster and his team but this is under instructions from AEPG, which shows how naive they are if they think this will quieten supporters down. It won’t, it’ll strengthen the supporters resolve. To my mind AEPG/ Buster are always one step ahead, they have dug up the track!! Will they be forced to relay it? I doubt it. |
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Post by chrise on Oct 13, 2023 19:41:49 GMT
Planning enforcement officers and our local councillor attended the Showground today, that in itself will tell AEPG that they are being watched. The track is being dug up by Buster and his team but this is under instructions from AEPG, which shows how naive they are if they think this will quieten supporters down. It won’t, it’ll strengthen the supporters resolve. To my mind AEPG/ Buster are always one step ahead, they have dug up the track!! Will they be forced to relay it? I doubt it. Norfolk is the best place for the crap Buster put on our track. It will ensure great racing for our six finger cousin's in 2024. |
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2023 20:06:16 GMT
Planning enforcement officers and our local councillor attended the Showground today, that in itself will tell AEPG that they are being watched. The track is being dug up by Buster and his team but this is under instructions from AEPG, which shows how naive they are if they think this will quieten supporters down. It won’t, it’ll strengthen the supporters resolve. To my mind AEPG/ Buster are always one step ahead, they have dug up the track!! Will they be forced to relay it? I doubt it. Firefighting does spring to mind. Interesting that you put AEPG/BUSTER as a single entity because that's been the problem all throughout 2023. He's played their tune all along. He could have been one of the staff. If we'd had anyone else in charge of the club I doubt that we'd be in this mess now, or at least put up a fight. The worst bit is that supporters now complaining about the situation played right in to the AEPG/CHAPMAN playbook. |
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2023 21:00:24 GMT
I was going to post this on the AEPG Facebook page but related threads are getting so much flak from Panthers fans that they are closed to comments from nice people, only AEPG staff can comment!
From Panthers supporters club FB page:
In a recent statement AEPG said "I quote" the showground has had considerable costs to keep the stands operating.
Will they explain what that means to everyone.
The stands were repaired by staff at Buster's expense in order to get a safety licence.
They never have had to clean the stands and empty the rubbish bins around the stadium or clean the toilets.
They never have to provide any staff for speedway including security and stewards.
We provide car park attendants and litter pick the whole of the area's after a meeting.
The fence and floodlights have been provided and repaired/replaced by the speedway since its conception.
All advantage to the showground to which they are insisting they are removed by the end of the month.
Another part of their statement, they would need to increase the rent 12 fold please explain that ?
The East of England Agricultural society have had a massive rates reduction because of the speedway for many years saving them thousands of pounds.
AEPG we await your reply!
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2023 21:47:58 GMT
I was going to post this on the AEPG Facebook page but related threads are getting so much flak from Panthers fans that they are closed to comments from nice people, only AEPG staff can comment! From Panthers supporters club FB page:In a recent statement AEPG said "I quote" the showground has had considerable costs to keep the stands operating. Will they explain what that means to everyone. The stands were repaired by staff at Buster's expense in order to get a safety licence. They never have had to clean the stands and empty the rubbish bins around the stadium or clean the toilets. They never have to provide any staff for speedway including security and stewards. We provide car park attendants and litter pick the whole of the area's after a meeting. The fence and floodlights have been provided and repaired/replaced by the speedway since its conception. All advantage to the showground to which they are insisting they are removed by the end of the month. Another part of their statement, they would need to increase the rent 12 fold please explain that ? The East of England Agricultural society have had a massive rates reduction because of the speedway for many years saving them thousands of pounds. AEPG we await your reply! What we really need is someone who hasn't commented yet on the planning application, objecting and adding this in to their text. That'd raise a few eyebrows and embarrass AEPG/PCC: 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings with associated open space and infrastructure, with access secured and all other matters (appearance, landscaping, layout and scale) reserved. Including demolition of all buildings | East Of England Showground Oundle Road Alwalton Peterborough PE2 6XE |
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Post by bratters on Oct 14, 2023 14:48:32 GMT
I was going to post this on the AEPG Facebook page but related threads are getting so much flak from Panthers fans that they are closed to comments from nice people, only AEPG staff can comment! From Panthers supporters club FB page:In a recent statement AEPG said "I quote" the showground has had considerable costs to keep the stands operating. Will they explain what that means to everyone. The stands were repaired by staff at Buster's expense in order to get a safety licence. They never have had to clean the stands and empty the rubbish bins around the stadium or clean the toilets. They never have to provide any staff for speedway including security and stewards. We provide car park attendants and litter pick the whole of the area's after a meeting. The fence and floodlights have been provided and repaired/replaced by the speedway since its conception. All advantage to the showground to which they are insisting they are removed by the end of the month. Another part of their statement, they would need to increase the rent 12 fold please explain that ? The East of England Agricultural society have had a massive rates reduction because of the speedway for many years saving them thousands of pounds. AEPG we await your reply! What we really need is someone who hasn't commented yet on the planning application, objecting and adding this in to their text. That'd raise a few eyebrows and embarrass AEPG/PCC: 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings with associated open space and infrastructure, with access secured and all other matters (appearance, landscaping, layout and scale) reserved. Including demolition of all buildings | East Of England Showground Oundle Road Alwalton Peterborough PE2 6XE You can add another objection/comment. Just start your comments with ‘Additional Comments’ several people have done this. |
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Post by rodders on Oct 14, 2023 19:01:46 GMT
Planning enforcement officers and our local councillor attended the Showground today, that in itself will tell AEPG that they are being watched. The track is being dug up by Buster and his team but this is under instructions from AEPG, which shows how naive they are if they think this will quieten supporters down. It won’t, it’ll strengthen the supporters resolve. To my mind AEPG/ Buster are always one step ahead, they have dug up the track!! Will they be forced to relay it? I doubt it. So planning enforcement officers and a local councillor attended today!!! So what , how does that help Panthers? Digging up of track makes a return to EOES even more unlikely. |
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Post by admin on Oct 14, 2023 19:31:43 GMT
To my mind AEPG/ Buster are always one step ahead, they have dug up the track!! Will they be forced to relay it? I doubt it. So planning enforcement officers and a local councillor attended today!!! So what , how does that help Panthers? Digging up of track makes a return to EOES even more unlikely. Agree with the first part but without photo evidence it hard to know what's being done otherwise? Digging can mean anything from removing the crap top surface to digging down literally which is a bit more troublesome? The wins that AEPG get, and they seem to be mounting, without resistance, does make it increasingly feel like we are p'ing in the wind! As to damage to the track making a return unlikely. It has been worked on many times during the close season so It'd take something pretty drastic to stop a return. Prior to the 2001 season (fortunately prior to Andrew Mercer arriving or it'd never have happened. He was the first inception of Butterfield), and so that David Howe could ride at his own track in the 2001 Speedway Under-21 World Championship final, the track was dug up, widened and inside kerb installed. There were plenty of pictures of that work around at the time but I never saved any. |
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Post by admin on Oct 14, 2023 19:34:48 GMT
What we really need is someone who hasn't commented yet on the planning application, objecting and adding this in to their text. That'd raise a few eyebrows and embarrass AEPG/PCC: 23/00412/OUT | Outline permission for up to 650 dwellings with associated open space and infrastructure, with access secured and all other matters (appearance, landscaping, layout and scale) reserved. Including demolition of all buildings | East Of England Showground Oundle Road Alwalton Peterborough PE2 6XE You can add another objection/comment. Just start your comments with ‘Additional Comments’ several people have done this. Oh can you do that? Interesting. |
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Post by bratters on Oct 14, 2023 20:32:28 GMT
You can add another objection/comment. Just start your comments with ‘Additional Comments’ several people have done this. Oh can you do that? Interesting. Yes you definitely can. |
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Post by admin on Oct 16, 2023 16:14:25 GMT
Planning – Planning Application Documents23/00400/OUT | Outline permission for up to 850 dwellings, care village (up to 3.27 hec gross), up to 20,300 sq m of Class E [Class E (a), (b), (c), (d), (e),(g) (i) ] and F1 floorspace of which: 1. Not more than 1000 sq m of floor space being Class E (a); 2. Not more than 1000 sq m being Sui Generis drinking establishment / drinking establishment with expanded food provision; bed hotel (up to 250 bed), car parking / servicing, 2 fe primary school, associated open space & infrastructure. Demolition of all buildings except for Arena and barn. All matters reserved save for access. | East Of England Showground Oundle Road Alwalton Peterborough PE2 6XE Search Results - 1000 records found b0252 After removing the supporting docs, most will be objections 
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