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Post by admin on Oct 14, 2024 15:41:41 GMT
Just awaiting: "Further report to come out from PCC the day before, so Monday 14/10/24" at the moment! And there it is democracy.peterborough.gov.uk/documents/b13797/Supplementary%20Agenda%2015th-Oct-2024%2013.30%20Planning%20and%20Environmental%20Protection%20Committee.pdf?T=9
British Speedway Promoters – give background to the popularity of Speedway in the UK as a viable sport. Rebut the conclusions of the “Leisure and Community Impact Assessment” submitted with the application, asserting that it is misleading and ill informed. Make reference to the Coventry Appeal decision. Officer Comment: These concerns have been addressed in the main report or in other sections of this report. For the avoidance of doubt, whilst some weight can be attached to the fact that speedway activities in Peterborough ceased in 2023 and the speedway track has been dismantled, meaning that effectively it no longer exists, that's the AEPG banker because they've messed up on everything else  that is not to say that it could not be easily rebuilt and remain a viable sporting venue – as the Coventry appeal decision makes clear. Further an application was made to designate the track as an “asset of community value” which was rejected on the grounds of a lack of information on how the track could become operational again. In any case, and notwithstanding the removal of the track and the arguments made in the Leisure and Community Impact Assessment, both applications are departures and contrary to the Local Plan, in part because they result in the loss of existing culture, leisure and tourist facilities and the planning balance acknowledges this. |
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 11:17:41 GMT
If it goes wrong today then remember these names and what they represent and will be responsible for. Although not entirely responsible in any way, they would be responsible for virtually the final brick. I voted for one of those who didn't win by much at all, nuff said!  |
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 16:02:03 GMT
5pm gave up listening - not sounding too positive at that point with one abstention & 2 for the development out of 3 commenting. They seem to be ignoring their own local plan! (well going for the bigger and better narrative with the positives outweighing the negatives).
Good to see Butterfield throw Chapman under the bus and confirm what everyone knew about him.
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Post by Hodgy on Oct 15, 2024 18:34:59 GMT
5pm gave up listening - not sounding too positive at that point with one abstention & 2 for the development out of 3 commenting. They seem to be ignoring their own local plan! (well going for the bigger and better narrative with the positives outweighing the negatives). Good to see Butterfield throw Chapman under the bus and confirm what everyone knew about him. The end always seemed inevitable but we kept hanging on. For many years we worried for the next. We were only tenants but lasted over +50 years. 30 of those we were always on the edge. Eventually bailed out by those that tried to identify as superheroes, initially in the National League then amazingly we went Elite (not something I ever thought would happen), we enjoyed unbelievable success. That season 2006, +6,000 attendance, queuing on the A1 was a night I will never forget. Unfortunately there was no long term strategy or brains from the Spivs. Closed Oxford, Coventry and a hand in Peterborough. I have to say the people I thought were so good for Peterborough Speedway were Rathbone and colleagues. Their efforts were immense, given they lived a 5 hour drive away, with local support. So it looks like our Showground has sold out. Who would really blame them. £650k profit over two years is small fry v major housing development projects. As sad as it may be. |
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Post by Hodgy on Oct 15, 2024 19:31:22 GMT
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Since seen this. Appears good news, I think. I just can’t get beyond thinking we were tenants. If they don’t want us, no matter what the outcome, we have no say. It’s their ground.
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 20:53:02 GMT
5pm gave up listening - not sounding too positive at that point with one abstention & 2 for the development out of 3 commenting. They seem to be ignoring their own local plan! (well going for the bigger and better narrative with the positives outweighing the negatives). Good to see Butterfield throw Chapman under the bus and confirm what everyone knew about him. The end always seemed inevitable but we kept hanging on. For many years we worried for the next. We were only tenants but lasted over +50 years. 30 of those we were always on the edge. Eventually bailed out by those that tried to identify as superheroes, initially in the National League then amazingly we went Elite (not something I ever thought would happen), we enjoyed unbelievable success. That season 2006, +6,000 attendance, queuing on the A1 was a night I will never forget. Unfortunately there was no long term strategy or brains from the Spivs. Closed Oxford, Coventry and a hand in Peterborough. I have to say the people I thought were so good for Peterborough Speedway were Rathbone and colleagues. Their efforts were immense, given they lived a 5 hour drive away, with local support. So it looks like our Showground has sold out. Who would really blame them. £650k profit over two years is small fry v major housing development projects. As sad as it may be. My sister just phoned and said that they turned down the Land A plan  Really surprised at that after somehow passing the 850? (think that there's a lot of caveats with that approval and it could still go pear shaped). - indeed there is: Some 40 conditions have been attached to the planning approval that have to be met by AEPG. (source ET) |
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 20:57:55 GMT
britishspeedway/miscellaneous/fresh-hope-for-panthersSince seen this. Appears good news, I think. I just can’t get beyond thinking we were tenants. If they don’t want us, no matter what the outcome, we have no say. It’s their ground. Ah I see, that explains it  FRESH HOPE FOR PANTHERS Tuesday, October 15, 2024HOPES of a return for Peterborough Speedway remain alive after the local planning committee voted to refuse a development plan at the iconic Showground venue. The Panthers’ 53-year-existence was put on hold when they were unable to compete this year as developers AEPG pursued plans for 1,500 houses on the site – well in excess of the 650 stipulated by the local plan. Whilst one application for 850 houses was accepted, the second for a further 650 which would have seen the removal of the existing speedway site, was rejected by six votes to three. The reason for the refusal was that the scheme was deemed to be in contravention of National Planning Policy framework, with the benefits of the development not compensating for the loss of the existing facility. British Speedway would like to congratulate the Peterborough campaign team on their hard work and reaffirm our position that the sport should be returned to this historic and much-loved venue. |
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 21:03:26 GMT
So who were the 4? My money would be on Fitzgerald, Mahmood + 2 others.
And who questioned their integrity? That seemed to touch a nerve during comments.
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 21:15:59 GMT
britishspeedway/miscellaneous/fresh-hope-for-panthersSince seen this. Appears good news, I think. I just can’t get beyond thinking we were tenants. If they don’t want us, no matter what the outcome, we have no say. It’s their ground. Well it's saved the board because at 5pm I was going to knock it on the head! Butterfield did double down on the no speedway irrespective during the 850 presentation & it seemed to resonate with some on the committee which is why I gave up when it was clear that they'd approve the 850 planning application. Now that he hasn't got what he wanted and the EEAS CEO will probably be on his case, it'll be interesting whether he sticks to his obstinacy? Can't see that going down too well with the EEAS or PCC. The day when he has to talk to the consortium may indeed be approaching? |
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Post by admin on Oct 15, 2024 21:28:05 GMT
Whilst one application for 850 houses was accepted, the second for a further 650 which would have seen the removal of the existing speedway site, was rejected by six votes to three. Seem to have got that wrong? It was a bit too tight for comfort: But they agreed that another 650 homes on the site occupied by the former speedway track and voted five against, four in favour with two councillors abstaining. (source ET)
Could AEPG appeal that |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 16, 2024 7:21:48 GMT
Whilst one application for 850 houses was accepted, the second for a further 650 which would have seen the removal of the existing speedway site, was rejected by six votes to three. Seem to have got that wrong? It was a bit too tight for comfort: But they agreed that another 650 homes on the site occupied by the former speedway track and voted five against, four in favour with two councillors abstaining. (source ET)
Could AEPG appeal that They could but bearing in mind the grounds for refusal it seems very unlikely. What surprised me listening all day to this application was they quoted the local plan and National Framework regulations for refusal of the 650 App, but passed the 850 App against the same regulations. I suppose we now have to wait for the AEPG response. |
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Post by admin on Oct 16, 2024 8:34:52 GMT
Seem to have got that wrong? It was a bit too tight for comfort: But they agreed that another 650 homes on the site occupied by the former speedway track and voted five against, four in favour with two councillors abstaining. (source ET)
Could AEPG appeal that They could but bearing in mind the grounds for refusal it seems very unlikely. What surprised me listening all day to this application was they quoted the local plan and National Framework regulations for refusal of the 650 App, but passed the 850 App against the same regulations. I suppose we now have to wait for the AEPG response. That's why I gave up at 5pm because everything that in my opinion would make them reject the 650 plan, and was just as relevant IMO to the 850 plan, they had ignored. I thought that it was a done deal at that point. The real danger for AEPG now is that they could appeal, but after the very powerful (to use Butterfield's phrase) words from Chair, they could lose the lot, if as you say, the planning committee is consistent across both applications? Yes of course it could also work against us but the rejection case was stronger (despite the tighter vote) than the approval vote. Listening to the problems with the 850 plan I still don't know how they passed it, and didn't at the very least defer it? Pleading from the EEAS trustees & the likes of Allia Future Business Centre resonated I guess to cloud the judgement? Next thing is to find what these are? Some 40 conditions have been attached to the planning approval that have to be met by AEPG. |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 16, 2024 10:04:12 GMT
They could but bearing in mind the grounds for refusal it seems very unlikely. What surprised me listening all day to this application was they quoted the local plan and National Framework regulations for refusal of the 650 App, but passed the 850 App against the same regulations. I suppose we now have to wait for the AEPG response. That's why I gave up at 5pm because everything that in my opinion would make them reject the 650 plan, and was just as relevant IMO to the 850 plan, they had ignored. I thought that it was a done deal at that point. The real danger for AEPG now is that they could appeal, but after the very powerful (to use Butterfield's phrase) words from Chair, they could lose the lot, if as you say, the planning committee is consistent across both applications? Yes of course it could also work against us but the rejection case was stronger (despite the tighter vote) than the approval vote. Listening to the problems with the 850 plan I still don't know how they passed it, and didn't at the very least defer it? Pleading from the EEAS trustees & the likes of Allia Future Business Centre resonated I guess to cloud the judgement? Next thing is to find what these are? Some 40 conditions have been attached to the planning approval that have to be met by AEPG.I have just spoke to Bratters about the 40 and he tells me they will be made public before long |
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Post by admin on Oct 16, 2024 10:20:47 GMT
I have just spoke to Bratters about the 40 and he tells me they will be made public before long Excellent |
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Really surprised at that after somehow passing the 850? (think that there's a lot of caveats with that approval and it could still go pear shaped). - indeed there is: Some 40 conditions have been attached to the planning approval that have to be met by AEPG. (source ET)
