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Post by Milo (not Mylo!!) on Sept 13, 2012 7:32:01 GMT
There is nothing lower than a bent copper (5.30 on the vid) It's funny how the most ridiculous comedy (Yes Minister/Prime Minister the prime examples) sketches are acually truer to life than they're given credit for. "police had changed witness statements" - and then they ask for our respect. It only takes one of these to soil the whole force which includes mostly decent people.
Following its publication, David Cameron apologised to victims' families for the "double injustice", which he said was both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones and the indefensible wait to get to the truth", and in the efforts to denigrate the deceased and suggest that they were "somehow at fault for their own deaths".
The system is bent and some of the press do their best to support it - why is anyone surprised  On the front page of its Thursday edition, the Sun newspaper apologised for its infamous story headlined "Hillsborough: The Truth" which alleged Liverpool fans had picked the pockets of victims, urinated on police and attacked officers trying to save lives. shocking stuff   |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 12:30:55 GMT
It's to easy for everyone to now blame the police, but they are not ultimately culpable for the tragedy though, are they? And in saying that, I certainly do not condone their actions for what followed. But who is ultimately responsible for the tragedy? In my opinion, I would hold the FA and SWFC ultimately accountable for selling tickets for a fixture at a stadium that plainly couldn't cope with those levels of supporters - the warnings were there in 1981. Certainly the only innocent people were those that arrived at Hillsborough with a valid ticket. Anyone who turned up to that match without a valid ticket is equally accountable.
It's a thorny issue, it could be debated forever, but it's not over by a long way.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Sept 13, 2012 17:09:30 GMT
It's to easy for everyone to now blame the police, but they are not ultimately culpable for the tragedy though, are they? And in saying that, I certainly do not condone their actions for what followed. But who is ultimately responsible for the tragedy? In my opinion, I would hold the FA and SWFC ultimately accountable for selling tickets for a fixture at a stadium that plainly couldn't cope with those levels of supporters - the warnings were there in 1981. Certainly the only innocent people were those that arrived at Hillsborough with a valid ticket. Anyone who turned up to that match without a valid ticket is equally accountable. It's a thorny issue, it could be debated forever, but it's not over by a long way. It's clear that several bodies contributed to this disaster not least of all Sheffield Wednesday FC and the body issuing and policing safety certificates. As champs says the Police don't come out of this well but as the facts now emerge if person or persons have lied to cover up mistakes they deserve all they get and I can see a few chief superintendents bottoms twitching about now provided they are still alive. I can see this running for a while I just hope the general police don't carry the can for what looks like the mistakes of a few high ranking officers. |
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Post by rodders on Sept 13, 2012 20:43:01 GMT
As I understand it those pushing down the terraces from the back have been completely exonerated.
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Post by admin on Sept 13, 2012 22:07:10 GMT
It's to easy for everyone to now blame the police, but they are not ultimately culpable for the tragedy though, are they? And in saying that, I certainly do not condone their actions for what followed. But who is ultimately responsible for the tragedy? In my opinion, I would hold the FA and SWFC ultimately accountable for selling tickets for a fixture at a stadium that plainly couldn't cope with those levels of supporters - the warnings were there in 1981. Certainly the only innocent people were those that arrived at Hillsborough with a valid ticket. Anyone who turned up to that match without a valid ticket is equally accountable. It's a thorny issue, it could be debated forever, but it's not over by a long way. H&S along with completely uncontrolled immigration has been the ruination of the UK.  Now while I agree with the second part (Great job Labour ), today's H&S wouldn't have let that happen - not overly relevant but woth a mention. Outside of the tradegy, the most worrying thing is what the police subsequently did. An absolute disgrace, how low can people go |
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Post by rodders on Sept 14, 2012 12:34:27 GMT
It's to easy for everyone to now blame the police, but they are not ultimately culpable for the tragedy though, are they? And in saying that, I certainly do not condone their actions for what followed. But who is ultimately responsible for the tragedy? In my opinion, I would hold the FA and SWFC ultimately accountable for selling tickets for a fixture at a stadium that plainly couldn't cope with those levels of supporters - the warnings were there in 1981. Certainly the only innocent people were those that arrived at Hillsborough with a valid ticket. Anyone who turned up to that match without a valid ticket is equally accountable. It's a thorny issue, it could be debated forever, but it's not over by a long way. Yes it is easy to blame the police etc but (and I know many will not want to hear this) are we really now saying that those who tried to push their way down an overcrowded terrace have no responsibility whats over? |
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Post by admin on Sept 14, 2012 13:16:54 GMT
It's to easy for everyone to now blame the police, but they are not ultimately culpable for the tragedy though, are they? And in saying that, I certainly do not condone their actions for what followed. But who is ultimately responsible for the tragedy? In my opinion, I would hold the FA and SWFC ultimately accountable for selling tickets for a fixture at a stadium that plainly couldn't cope with those levels of supporters - the warnings were there in 1981. Certainly the only innocent people were those that arrived at Hillsborough with a valid ticket. Anyone who turned up to that match without a valid ticket is equally accountable. It's a thorny issue, it could be debated forever, but it's not over by a long way. Yes it is easy to blame the police etc but (and I know many will not want to hear this) are we really now saying that those who tried to push their way down an overcrowded terrace have no responsibility whatsoever? Yes.
Mr Cameron told the House of Commons the panel found the safety of the crowds at Hillsborough had been "compromised at every level". He said "deficiencies" at the ground were well known and it failed to meet minimum safety standards. The prime minister apologised for the double injustice, which was both in the "failure of the state to protect their loved ones |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 13:26:48 GMT
As I understand it those pushing down the terraces from the back have been completely exonerated. Ouch! |
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