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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 12, 2016 8:29:35 GMT
Must have been as dull as the England match? Thread open for guests if anyone wants to post, just click reply. Quite entertaining in front of a very reasonable crowd, Ged went through this year in good detail explaining the various changes and covering finances etc, I thought he covered the points quite well. Sundays at 5.00pm was the popular choice with those present, I raised the EL question and it's clear that the management are sticking with PL because the supporters and maths don't make EL viable. He made it abundantly clear he was 100% committed to Panthers this year and wouldn't be getting involved in anything else speedway wise, NL racing was suggested by the promotion as an possible extra but would involve additional cost but it was made clear by those present it wasn't what the fans wanted and the management I think took that on board. Obviously nothing was said re the pre AGM but Ged said they would be naming riders for next year as soon as the AGM finished season in early November and they knew what the formats and team limit was for next year. Ged also clarified discussions were reaching a conclusion and he was hopeful that he would be completing a deal with Rick Frost/Readypower which would see him take over the club in the very near future. |
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Post by admin on Oct 12, 2016 9:49:48 GMT
I raised the EL question and it's clear that the management are sticking with PL because the supporters and maths don't make EL viable. It never did though did it which is why Bratley said that the club could not run on crowds alone, which is why we had a thriving commercial side when he was there, which allegedly brought in a fair amount of cash. I can see the logic at the moment with the way British Speedway is but would hope that's not the limit of the club's ambition because the maths in that respect is unlikely to change too much. Riding on a Sunday kills that anyway because moving up would require ditching that idea and building up a fan base for a weekday evening so it's counterproductive. And breathe! |
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Post by davet on Oct 12, 2016 12:46:26 GMT
Sunday at 5 o'clock is bad news for me and, I suspect most people who have any distance to travel. To get to the stadium in time to get a decent seat in the stand means leaving home at about 3.30 which wipes out the afternoon; getting home at around 8 o'clock is too late to do anything else, so the speedway effectively has to replace any other activities on what should be a family day.
I would argue that a 6.30 start would at least keep the afternoon available for other pursuits, while still letting the kids get home at a reasonable time for school the next day. This would also minimise the Sunday afternoon dusty track syndrome.
The crowd in attendance were apparently in favour of the 5.00 start, but maybe the timing of the event favoured people based locally?
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Post by rodders on Oct 12, 2016 13:02:38 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out.
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Post by davet on Oct 12, 2016 13:15:06 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out. Wouldn't disagree with staying in the Premier League (although that could change after the AGM), and I have to concede that the Sunday crowds seem to be generally better that Friday nights. It's the 5 o'clock start that is a problem for me, and probably means I will be an armchair supporter for much of next year. |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 12, 2016 13:51:37 GMT
Sunday at 5 o'clock is bad news for me and, I suspect most people who have any distance to travel. To get to the stadium in time to get a decent seat in the stand means leaving home at about 3.30 which wipes out the afternoon; getting home at around 8 o'clock is too late to do anything else, so the speedway effectively has to replace any other activities on what should be a family day. I would argue that a 6.30 start would at least keep the afternoon available for other pursuits, while still letting the kids get home at a reasonable time for school the next day. This would also minimise the Sunday afternoon dusty track syndrome. The crowd in attendance were apparently in favour of the 5.00 start, but maybe the timing of the event favoured people based locally? Ged went through the Sunday times from 1100 to 1900 and the largest majority raised their hands for 1700, any earlier and it's difficult for the track staff to keep the track damp enough in June and July as we have found in the past two years, it's clearly got to suit supporters with children of school age and 1700 means it's all done and dusted by 1900, which means kids are not late to bed. It's clear it won't suit everyone no time will but 5.00pm seems to allow everyone to enjoy Sunday lunch as well f that's what they want. Ged also added his best attendances were on Sundays and were easily better than any other days including Friday nights, it won't be all Sundays in 2017 though as we will still have to use occasional Fridays and bank holidays. |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 12, 2016 13:58:03 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out. To be fair I think the EL is broken and the difference between the two leagues is the smallest it's ever been, it's clear the EL needs to go to just 2 nights and race on different nights to the PL so doubling up is easy and doesn't affect any team is either league. I rather suspect the rules regarding doubling up will be changed at this AGM as several riders are at the limit on current two year rules, the Proposed Polish 2 league maximum will not help either. |
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Post by admin on Oct 12, 2016 14:57:53 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out. I'd like to know their reasoning for not wanting to aspire to be the best but are happy treading water in the lower league. As the EL messes the PL up, as I'm sure that it will over time, then they might change their mind? |
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Post by rodders on Oct 12, 2016 14:59:48 GMT
Paradoxically those that prefer Elite League no longer attend following our reduction in status . Leaving in the main the die hard Premier League devotees as those that remain.
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Post by admin on Oct 12, 2016 16:08:53 GMT
the Proposed Polish 2 league maximum will not help either. What's this relate to? |
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Post by rodders on Oct 12, 2016 16:37:26 GMT
Poland I believe are proposing that riders can only ride in one other league than their own.
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 12, 2016 17:15:47 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out. I'd like to know their reasoning for not wanting to aspire to be the best but are happy treading water in the lower league. As the EL messes the PL up, as I'm sure that it will over time, then they might change their mind? I certainly wouldn't object to racing in the EL again but I definitely wouldn't want to be in the Lynn, Lakeside or Leicester mode as they effectively are just making up the numbers. Year after year of trying to avoid the wooden spoon must be pretty frustrating, personally just being effective at a lower level I can live with. |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 13, 2016 8:13:06 GMT
Poland I believe are proposing that riders can only ride in one other league than their own. Correct, sorry Riggers I assumed pretty much everyone had seen this |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2016 9:04:49 GMT
It seemed to me that the vast majority of attendees had no appetite for return to Elite League and were quite vociferous in this regard. Regarding Sundays as race day Ged was adamant that Sundays produced the best crowds although he conceded that a number were not necessarily Panthers supporters but floating fans looking for a Sunday afternoon out. I'd like to know their reasoning for not wanting to aspire to be the best but are happy treading water in the lower league. As the EL messes the PL up, as I'm sure that it will over time, then they might change their mind? Riggers after watching the so called Elite league the last few years, to me the racing in the Prem league is IMO is better, at my last count 60% of the riders are Prem riders, the only advantage was the FDR riders like Newman etc, who had already had spells with Poole were capable of scoring big points, and have been in the top 10 of the Elite averages, though still counted as 3 pointers for a few seasons, unlike the ones drafted in to the Prem, most of them have been out of their depth, and Tom Perry should not have been made to go up into the main body of the team, plus with the amount of teams nearly every day of the week we have one or two the teams racing, so much more to look forward to, with racing the format of the Elite league, with the top 5 racing against each other most have dropped their average by up to 2 point, Bjarne Pedersen at reserve for Poole was a farce, because of them having the best 2 reserves in the league, and the FDR riders having to move up finally ,this was bound to happen, Prem league for me, always, got to go to one league soon. jim |
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2016 11:18:36 GMT
Poland I believe are proposing that riders can only ride in one other league than their own. Correct, sorry Riggers I assumed pretty much everyone had seen this I'm not up to speed as much as I once was Dick and as this doesn't directly relate to today's Peterborough Speedway then I'd not have taken any notice. Next step Poland and nowhere then. |
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Post by admin on Oct 13, 2016 15:26:49 GMT
Poland I believe are proposing that riders can only ride in one other league than their own. Seems to be a rumour or someone's agenda rather than proposal: "There has been talk in Poland of possible rule changes in the Ekstraliga, limiting all contracted riders to racing in no more than one other league." (SGP 13/10/16) |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Oct 13, 2016 16:04:38 GMT
I'd like to know their reasoning for not wanting to aspire to be the best but are happy treading water in the lower league. As the EL messes the PL up, as I'm sure that it will over time, then they might change their mind? Riggers after watching the so called Elite league the last few years, to me the racing in the Prem league is IMO is better, at my last count 60% of the riders are Prem riders, the only advantage was the FDR riders like Newman etc, who had already had spells with Poole were capable of scoring big points, and have been in the top 10 of the Elite averages, though still counted as 3 pointers for a few seasons, unlike the ones drafted in to the Prem, most of them have been out of their depth, and Tom Perry should not have been made to go up into the main body of the team, plus with the amount of teams nearly every day of the week we have one or two the teams racing, so much more to look forward to, with racing the format of the Elite league, with the top 5 racing against each other most have dropped their average by up to 2 point, Bjarne Pedersen at reserve for Poole was a farce, because of them having the best 2 reserves in the league, and the FDR riders having to move up finally ,this was bound to happen, Prem league for me, always, got to go to one league soon. jim I don't see how one big league will work bearing in mind a lot of teams in the PL & EL use the same riders. |
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