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Post by Hodgy on Jun 23, 2022 19:43:02 GMT
After witnessing the amazing rapid growth of Peterborough Greyhound’s I just couldn’t understand the closure. It must have been an absolute gold mine. Virtually sold out 3 nights a week. After a bit of surfing they decided not to open again due to the COVID impact. Sold out to Developers, Mick George the new owner. Think we know what that means. Very much doubt Speedway would have ever been granted planning permission. Even closer to housing than EOES, which has kept its status as it was there before housing.
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Post by admin on Jun 28, 2022 21:10:26 GMT
After witnessing the amazing rapid growth of Peterborough Greyhound’s I just couldn’t understand the closure. It must have been an absolute gold mine. Virtually sold out 3 nights a week. After a bit of surfing they decided not to open again due to the COVID impact. Sold out to Developers, Mick George the new owner. Think we know what that means. Very much doubt Speedway would have ever been granted planning permission. Even closer to housing than EOES, which has kept its status as it was there before housing. Have to say I'm still confused as to how they've announced our demise without the alternative provision needed in such circumstances as detailed in the local plan (assuming that it wasn't changed?). Allegedly "Key meetings to take place in weeks in bid to find new solution" although isn't that the cart before the horse? As they've still got plenty of room left, here's a suggestion, do what they did in New York with the MetLife Stadium multi-purpose stadium at the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East New York City which was opened in 2010 to replace Giants Stadium which was a stones throw away and demolished in Winter and Spring 2010.  - View of MetLife Stadium (under construction) and Giants Stadium (on right) in July 2009 (source wikipedia) - with live footage from Giants Stadium. |
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Post by rodders on Jul 1, 2022 11:25:56 GMT
After witnessing the amazing rapid growth of Peterborough Greyhound’s I just couldn’t understand the closure. It must have been an absolute gold mine. Virtually sold out 3 nights a week. After a bit of surfing they decided not to open again due to the COVID impact. Sold out to Developers, Mick George the new owner. Think we know what that means. Very much doubt Speedway would have ever been granted planning permission. Even closer to housing than EOES, which has kept its status as it was there before housing. Have to say I'm still confused as to how they've announced our demise without the alternative provision needed in such circumstances as detailed in the local plan (assuming that it wasn't changed?). Allegedly "Key meetings to take place in weeks in bid to find new solution" although isn't that the cart before the horse? As they've still got plenty of room left, here's a suggestion, do what they did in New York with the MetLife Stadium multi-purpose stadium at the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East New York City which was opened in 2010 to replace Giants Stadium which was a stones throw away and demolished in Winter and Spring 2010. - View of MetLife Stadium (under construction) and Giants Stadium (on right) in July 2009 (source wikipedia) - with live footage from Giants Stadium. The clear message is don't trust anyone!!! Despite weasel words and crocodile tears , greed and avarice will have its way. |
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Post by admin on Jul 1, 2022 14:01:20 GMT
Have to say I'm still confused as to how they've announced our demise without the alternative provision needed in such circumstances as detailed in the local plan (assuming that it wasn't changed?). Allegedly "Key meetings to take place in weeks in bid to find new solution" although isn't that the cart before the horse? As they've still got plenty of room left, here's a suggestion, do what they did in New York with the MetLife Stadium multi-purpose stadium at the Meadowlands Sports Complex in East New York City which was opened in 2010 to replace Giants Stadium which was a stones throw away and demolished in Winter and Spring 2010. - View of MetLife Stadium (under construction) and Giants Stadium (on right) in July 2009 (source wikipedia) - with live footage from Giants Stadium. The clear message is don't trust anyone!!! Despite weasel words and crocodile tears , greed and avarice will have its way. I never do and usually get castigated for the unpopular opinion that all too often comes true (just reading the Edinburgh plans again, I wouldn't be too optimistic of that happening in 2023 - hopefully it's one of the times when I'm wrong). The difference here though is that it's not just what someone said or thinks. It's in official black and white (albeit open to the usual flexible interpretation) and the actions don't agree with the plan (unless the draft was changed?) so it'd be good to know how we've got to this place, who blinked and why. |
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Post by rodders on Jul 1, 2022 14:32:23 GMT
The clear message is don't trust anyone!!! Despite weasel words and crocodile tears , greed and avarice will have its way. I never do and usually get castigated for the unpopular opinion that all too often comes true (just reading the Edinburgh plans again, I wouldn't be too optimistic of that happening in 2023 - hopefully it's one of the times when I'm wrong). The difference here though is that it's not just what someone said or thinks. It's in official black and white (albeit open to the usual flexible interpretation) and the actions don't agree with the plan (unless the draft was changed?) so it'd be good to know how we've got to this place, who blinked and why. Once the planners and developers get their foot in the door, it becomes open season and all previous promises and opinions are off. |
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Post by admin on Jul 1, 2022 15:29:42 GMT
I never do and usually get castigated for the unpopular opinion that all too often comes true (just reading the Edinburgh plans again, I wouldn't be too optimistic of that happening in 2023 - hopefully it's one of the times when I'm wrong). The difference here though is that it's not just what someone said or thinks. It's in official black and white (albeit open to the usual flexible interpretation) and the actions don't agree with the plan (unless the draft was changed?) so it'd be good to know how we've got to this place, who blinked and why. Once the planners and developers get their foot in the door, it becomes open season and all previous promises and opinions are off. Usually is I agree but it doesn't hurt to make people work and justify themselves and their decisions. I'm like Columbo, inconsistencies keep me awake and I like to tie up all of those loose ends  |
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Post by Hodgy on Jul 1, 2022 17:22:48 GMT
Once the planners and developers get their foot in the door, it becomes open season and all previous promises and opinions are off. Usually is I agree but it doesn't hurt to make people work and justify themselves and their decisions. I'm like Columbo, inconsistencies keep me awake and I like to tie up all of those loose ends “Just one more thing…” I just can’t imagine watching Peterborough Speedway anywhere other than the Showground. Great track, plenty of space, a stand that provides quality viewing. We can make our own decisions regarding crap overpriced food and beer. I like the Edinburgh positive profile but would take some getting familiar with a 260m track and 1,500 capacity. Not what we have been brought up on. I do fear the worst but have been saying that for years. |
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Post by admin on Jul 1, 2022 22:14:09 GMT
Have to say I'm still confused as to how they've announced our demise without the alternative provision needed in such circumstances as detailed in the local plan (assuming that it wasn't changed?).It wasn't: Peterborough Local Plan (adopted 24 July 2019) - scroll down the page a bit for the link. |
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Post by rodders on Jul 4, 2022 10:39:56 GMT
I know the situation is difficult, but would hope management keep fans up to date as much as possible. I do not see any real willingness from the developers to keep Panthers going, and it is very difficult to imagine that an alternative venue will be found when it has not been possible before. The Dog track would seem ideal, but Management have ruled this out and of course no doubt objection
from local residents would come flooding in.
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Post by Hodgy on Jul 4, 2022 21:02:47 GMT
I know the situation is difficult, but would hope management keep fans up to date as much as possible. I do not see any real willingness from the developers to keep Panthers going, and it is very difficult to imagine that an alternative venue will be found when it has not been possible before. The Dog track would seem ideal, but Management have ruled this out and of course no doubt objection from local residents would come flooding in. Very much doubt the management really know much more than you or I, in terms of the real truth and intentions. Housing and retail development will not include Speedway. The Greyhound stadium have already sold for development. Looks like Dads Army are doomed. We can but hope. |
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Post by bratters on Jul 5, 2022 16:49:30 GMT
I’m actually quite amazed at the arrogance of AEPG, the current owners of the Showground. We’re going to do this, we’re going to do that and everyone can naff off with their events from July 2023.
THEY HAVE YET TO SUBMIT A SINGLE PLANNING APPLICATION!!!
It’s worth noting that the planning applications for the new Haddon development near Yaxley, a similar (if not smaller) land area to the Showground took five and a half years before a spade was turned.
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Post by rodders on Jul 5, 2022 20:26:27 GMT
I’m actually quite amazed at the arrogance of AEPG, the current owners of the Showground. We’re going to do this, we’re going to do that and everyone can naff off with their events from July 2023. THEY HAVE YET TO SUBMIT A SINGLE PLANNING APPLICATION!!! It’s worth noting that the planning applications for the new Haddon development near Yaxley, a similar (if not smaller) land area to the Showground took five and a half years before a spade was turned. I agree your sentiments, but do they need planning permission to demolish the track and grandstand? If not and if they go ahead it seems to me they have achieved a goodly portion of their objective. |
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Post by bratters on Jul 5, 2022 20:59:03 GMT
I’m actually quite amazed at the arrogance of AEPG, the current owners of the Showground. We’re going to do this, we’re going to do that and everyone can naff off with their events from July 2023. THEY HAVE YET TO SUBMIT A SINGLE PLANNING APPLICATION!!! It’s worth noting that the planning applications for the new Haddon development near Yaxley, a similar (if not smaller) land area to the Showground took five and a half years before a spade was turned. I agree your sentiments, but do they need planning permission to demolish the track and grandstand? If not and if they go ahead it seems to me they have achieved a goodly portion of their objective. They own the place, they can do what they like with it, but I believe there is a local planning order that says something along the lines of they have to provide somewhere else for the Speedway. In any event if they trash the stadium I would hope the council would not look upon that favourably and that may lead to an even longer drawn out planning process than they seem to currently think they will have. Never mind a leisure park they need to be thinking about Doctors, Dentists, Schools, Shops and access roads if the ambition is to build 1600 houses. It’s all very aspirational and arrogant and I reiterate there has not been a single planning application and I know this as fact as I had a conversation with a planning officer this afternoon. |
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Post by admin on Jul 5, 2022 21:16:22 GMT
I’m actually quite amazed at the arrogance of AEPG, the current owners of the Showground. We’re going to do this, we’re going to do that and everyone can naff off with their events from July 2023. THEY HAVE YET TO SUBMIT A SINGLE PLANNING APPLICATION!!! It’s worth noting that the planning applications for the new Haddon development near Yaxley, a similar (if not smaller) land area to the Showground took five and a half years before a spade was turned. I think that this is part of their planning though. If they can get rid of all existing events/users then they'll have circumvented PolicyLP30: Culture,Leisure,Tourism and Community Facilities which says: "The loss, via redevelopment, of an existing culture, leisure, tourism or community facility will only be permitted if it is demonstrated that.........: - if everything is gone (including Panthers) then there are no existing facilities to stand in the way of their submitted plan. I assume that we (currently at least) negotiate annually our agreement with the EoES so they hold all of the cards for 2023 (you'll know more of that than us). I don't know where Jul 31 comes from? It's just convenient because it falls bang in the middle of the speedway season and they'll be well aware of that. I don't believe that anyone in our current management is willing, or has the desire, to fight this unfortunately. Greer's programme note seemed to wave the white flag unfortunately. Hopefully there's a bit more fight behind the scenes? Chapman did say several years ago that we only had a couple of years guaranteed so we're on borrowed time anyway? I doubt, Rodders, that they need permission to knock the stand down and bulldoze the track if it's not being used |
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Post by admin on Jul 5, 2022 22:03:30 GMT
I agree your sentiments, but do they need planning permission to demolish the track and grandstand? If not and if they go ahead it seems to me they have achieved a goodly portion of their objective. They own the place, they can do what they like with it, but I believe there is a local planning order that says something along the lines of they have to provide somewhere else for the Speedway. In any event if they trash the stadium I would hope the council would not look upon that favourably and that may lead to an even longer drawn out planning process than they seem to currently think they will have. Never mind a leisure park they need to be thinking about Doctors, Dentists, Schools, Shops and access roads if the ambition is to build 1600 houses. It’s all very aspirational and arrogant and I reiterate there has not been a single planning application and I know this as fact as I had a conversation with a planning officer this afternoon. I've been interested in this story today: The leader of the Green Party has demanded to know why no other alternatives are available after Peterborough City Council announced a 600-year old oak tree in Bretton will be felled next week.Partly because it's a Green councillor (I think that 2 Greens and the vocal independent oversee the EoES?), shows the potential incompetence of PCC, how rules and regs mean little when push comes to shove & how the threat of a bill usually cause panic. |
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Post by admin on Jul 14, 2022 9:07:56 GMT
scunthorpe-speedway 14/7/22STATEMENT FROM JORDAN PALINScunthorpe Scorpions’ (and Panthers) 18-year-old star Jordan Palin has released the following statement: “Following on from my recent Team GB training day incident where my head and the shale had a very unpleasant coming together. I have now had time to process the extent of my injury, and the information from my medical consultants. In reality, I am looking at least 60 days before I can ride again. I have therefore taken one of the hardest decisions I have ever had to make and announce that I am withdrawing from all racing for the remainder of the 2022 season. “The most difficult thing to understand with this type of injury is I can’t physically see it, unlike a broken arm or leg where it’s constantly in view, the bleed on my brain is not. The fog is definitely starting to lift to the point that the information from the consultants has become very real. The expected recovery time before I can be signed off as fit to begin physical exercise dramatically impacts the time scale to be fit to race. “Given the realistic time scale, I have to look at the impact on the clubs I am lucky enough to represent. Covering my absence with guests or rider replacement is only practical very short term. I know that holding open my team place and covering is not practical or in the best interests of the clubs. This is a crucial stage of the season with the push for honours and titles, so by withdrawing my hope is that a permanent replacement can but secured till the end of the season allowing the best possible outcome. As a racer, I know that winning is why we do what we do. As a fan I know the best interests of the team has to come first. “I take great inspiration from the likes of Dan Bewley and Tom Brennan in how they returned from season ending injuries to be at the level they are now. I will be using the time to reset and rebuild. Once cleared I will start an intensive programme to take full advantage of what now is my pre- season for 2023. “I want to take this opportunity to thank Team GB for the faith they placed in me and the opportunities they gave me and the never ending support that has always been there. “To Rob Godfrey, who has been a major part of my career from the start, his help and guidance has been incredible through good times and bad he has been there for me and my family. “To my sponsors both old and new, without you none of this would be possible and I will be reaching out personally to you all to express how grateful I am for your help. “To Ian Brannan and the late great Nigel Pearson who gave me the chance to feature in the Humans of Speedway podcast. “To the media, in particular, the Speedway Star, thank you for the features and front covers. Phil Lanning for his words and Taylor for his pictures have enabled my story to be told. “And most of all to my family, you have sacrificed so much to make this dream possible. I cannot begin to find the right words but I know together we will always be unstoppable. “In closing, Team Jordan Palin will be back – fitter, stronger and faster…”
As someone who wasn't expected to live through the night following traumatic brain injury I know what he's talking about:Headway - the brain injury association | HeadwayEffects of brain injuryBleed on the brain? That's nasty.
This is why (although he didn't have a bleed (as far as I can recall) but it was nasty) I said that Andersen should have called it a day after that bad head injury (on top of many others during a brilliant career) he had at the EoES v Ippo a few seasons ago.
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