SGP Warsaw, Poland R2 13/5/23

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2022 result from speedway updates:

54. Martin Vaculik (Slovakia) - 0, 0, 0, 2, 2 = 4
323. Pawel Przedpelski (Poland) - 2, 1, 3, 1, 2 = 9 + 0 = 9
155. Mikkel Michelsen (Denmark) - 3, 2, 1, 2, 0 = 8 + 3 + FX = 11
505. Robert Lambert (Great Britain) - 1, 2, 2, 2, 1 = 8
95. Bartosz Zmarzlik (Poland) - 3, 2, 2, 3, 2 = 12 + 1 = 13
25. Jack Holder (Australia) - 0, 2, 3, 0, 2 = 7
66. Fredrik Lindgren (Sweden) - 2, 0, 3, 3, F = 8 + 2 + 1 = 11 THIRD
99. Dan Bewley (Great Britain) - 1, 1, 2, 0, 1 = 5
108. Tai Woffinden (Great Britain) - 2, 1, 0, 3, 3 = 9 + 0 = 9
692. Patryk Dudek (Poland) - 1, X, 1, 1, 3 = 6
16. Maksym Drabik (Poland) - 0, 1, 2, 2, 0 = 5
71. Maciej Janowski (Poland) - 3, 3, 1, 0, 3 = 10 + 1 = 11
30. Leon Madsen (Denmark) - 3, 3, 0, 3, 1 = 10 + 2 + 2 = 14 SECOND
46. Max Fricke (Australia) - 0, 3, 3, 1, 3 = 10 + 3 + 3 = 16 WINNER
69. Jason Doyle (Australia) - 2, 3, 0, 1, FX = 6
105. Anders Thomsen (Denmark) - X, 0, 1, 0, 1 = 2

Can't see a repeat of that podium.

[Hodgy]

Very difficult to bet against Bart. I’m going for Doyle to be the spoiler.

[Hodgy]

May 13, 2023 12:33:53 GMT Hodgy said:

Very difficult to bet against Bart. I’m going for Doyle to be the spoiler.

What a terrible decision. That ref should be sacked.

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May 13, 2023 12:33:53 GMT Hodgy said:

Very difficult to bet against Bart. I’m going for Doyle to be the spoiler.

You've historically been a Fast Freddie man (assuming that terms like that are still legal?). I thought that you'd be collecting after that one.

I had a better miss today. I got my timings well messed up today after being slow to get going and taking the dog out late morning. I went to back a horse that I fancied in the 1.30 but it was already 2.30 at that point. The bloody horse had already won at 14/1

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May 13, 2023 20:30:08 GMT Hodgy said:

May 13, 2023 12:33:53 GMT Hodgy said:

Very difficult to bet against Bart. I’m going for Doyle to be the spoiler.

What a terrible decision. That ref should be sacked.

There was just enough possible justification (Bart in front, Doyle turning in to/leaning on? - very very weak but there none the less) to allow him to make the home decision required to allow him to leave the stadium in one piece. In any GP outside of Poland, Bart would have been excluded.

If the ref hasn't commented on his reasoning then he should have to so that those who pay their money to support the SGP know how he arrived at what virtually everyone would agree was a shocking decision?

[admin]

That was quite enjoyable but not for the racing which was pretty well not existent. Gate and ride a consistent line and you'd probably win the race.

Miss the start or get beat up on the first corner then that's where you'd stay. Woffinden's scorecard sums it up, as does someone making the semi-final on 7 points:

95. Bartosz Zmarzlik (Poland) - FX, 1, 3, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 1 = 12 (they haven't put 3rd against Bart )
30. Leon Madsen (Denmark) - 2, 0, 1, 3, 1 = 7
71. Maciej Janowski (Poland) - 2, 2, 2, 1, 0 = 7
66. Fredrik Lindgren (Sweden) - 2, 2, 0, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 WINNER
505. Robert Lambert (Great Britain) - 1, 0, 0, 2, 3 = 6
99. Dan Bewley (Great Britain) - 3, 0, 3, 1, 2 = 9 + 0 = 9
692. Patryk Dudek (Poland) - 1, 1, 1, 0, 1 = 4
108. Tai Woffinden (Great Britain) - 1, 3, 0, 3, 0 = 7 + 0 = 7
54. Martin Vaculik (Slovakia) - 2, 1, 3, 2, 3 = 11 + 1 = 12
69. Jason Doyle (Australia) - 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 = 13 + 3 + FX = 16 (technical podium of some description )
155. Mikkel Michelsen (Denmark) - 3, 0, 0, 0, 3 = 6
25. Jack Holder (Australia) - 3, 2, 2, 1, 3 = 11 + 3 + 2 = 16 SECOND (technical winner)
46. Max Fricke (Australia) - 1, 3, 2, 2, 1 = 9 + 1 = 10
105. Anders Thomsen (Denmark) - 0, 2, 2, 0, 0 = 4
233. Kim Nilsson (Sweden) - 0, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 4
16. Bartlomiej Kowalski (Poland) - 0, 3, 1, 0, 0 = 4

updates

SPEEDWAY GP STANDINGS:

1 Bartosz Zmarzlik 36
2 Fredrik Lindgren 36
3 Jason Doyle 28
4 Jack Holder 26
5 Robert Lambert 23
6 Tai Woffinden 21
7 Martin Vaculik 21
8 Dan Bewley 20
9 Max Fricke 18
10 Mikkel Michelsen 17
11 Leon Madsen 12
12 Maciej Janowski 10
13 Anders Thomsen 8
14 Patryk Dudek 7
15 Kim Nilsson 4

[Hodgy]

May 14, 2023 8:43:41 GMT admin said:

May 13, 2023 12:33:53 GMT Hodgy said:

Very difficult to bet against Bart. I’m going for Doyle to be the spoiler.

You've historically been a Fast Freddie man (assuming that terms like that are still legal?). I thought that you'd be collecting after that one.

I had a better miss today. I got my timings well messed up today after being slow to get going and taking the dog out late morning. I went to back a horse that I fancied in the 1.30 but it was already 2.30 at that point. The bloody horse had already won at 14/1

I was very close to going for Freddy but changed to Doyle as appears in good form. Fred usually gives you a run for your money at a decent price.

I had that dreaded missed bet moment years ago on The Grand National. I won the work sweepstake in 1983 with ‘Corbiere’. Two years later I fancied ‘Last Suspect’. I wrote it on the betting slip and joined the long queue at the bookies. As I approached the window I changed the bet to ‘Corbiere’ to win again. ‘Last Suspect’ won at 50/1. A moment I will never forget, absolutely gutted. Don’t think I’ve ever won anything on The National since

[Hodgy]

May 14, 2023 8:55:15 GMT admin said:

May 13, 2023 20:30:08 GMT Hodgy said:

What a terrible decision. That ref should be sacked.

There was just enough possible justification (Bart in front, Doyle turning in to/leaning on? - very very weak but there none the less) to allow him to make the home decision required to allow him to leave the stadium in one piece. In any GP outside of Poland, Bart would have been excluded.

If the ref hasn't commented on his reasoning then he should have to so that those who pay their money to support the SGP know how he arrived at what virtually everyone would agree was a shocking decision?

Most people agree it was a dreadful decision. I can’t believe there are still a minority saying it was the right call. Without doubt Bart should have gone.

Even though I can’t stand the knob, Holder was the unlucky one. He would have had his first GP win.

[Hodgy]

May 14, 2023 9:06:35 GMT admin said:

That was quite enjoyable but not for the racing which was pretty well not existent. Gate and ride a consistent line and you'd probably win the race.

Miss the start or get beat up on the first corner then that's where you'd stay. Woffinden's scorecard sums it up, as does someone making the semi-final on 7 points:

95. Bartosz Zmarzlik (Poland) - FX, 1, 3, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 1 = 12 (they haven't put 3rd against Bart )
30. Leon Madsen (Denmark) - 2, 0, 1, 3, 1 = 7
71. Maciej Janowski (Poland) - 2, 2, 2, 1, 0 = 7
66. Fredrik Lindgren (Sweden) - 2, 2, 0, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 WINNER
505. Robert Lambert (Great Britain) - 1, 0, 0, 2, 3 = 6
99. Dan Bewley (Great Britain) - 3, 0, 3, 1, 2 = 9 + 0 = 9
692. Patryk Dudek (Poland) - 1, 1, 1, 0, 1 = 4
108. Tai Woffinden (Great Britain) - 1, 3, 0, 3, 0 = 7 + 0 = 7
54. Martin Vaculik (Slovakia) - 2, 1, 3, 2, 3 = 11 + 1 = 12
69. Jason Doyle (Australia) - 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 = 13 + 3 + FX = 16 (technical podium of some description )
155. Mikkel Michelsen (Denmark) - 3, 0, 0, 0, 3 = 6
25. Jack Holder (Australia) - 3, 2, 2, 1, 3 = 11 + 3 + 2 = 16 SECOND (technical winner)
46. Max Fricke (Australia) - 1, 3, 2, 2, 1 = 9 + 1 = 10
105. Anders Thomsen (Denmark) - 0, 2, 2, 0, 0 = 4
233. Kim Nilsson (Sweden) - 0, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 4
16. Bartlomiej Kowalski (Poland) - 0, 3, 1, 0, 0 = 4

updates

SPEEDWAY GP STANDINGS:

1 Bartosz Zmarzlik 36
2 Fredrik Lindgren 36
3 Jason Doyle 28
4 Jack Holder 26
5 Robert Lambert 23
6 Tai Woffinden 21
7 Martin Vaculik 21
8 Dan Bewley 20
9 Max Fricke 18
10 Mikkel Michelsen 17
11 Leon Madsen 12
12 Maciej Janowski 10
13 Anders Thomsen 8
14 Patryk Dudek 7
15 Kim Nilsson 4

The points scoring system is a joke. Why change something that was much fairer and worked perfectly well.

[admin]

May 14, 2023 10:25:35 GMT Hodgy said:

May 14, 2023 9:06:35 GMT admin said:

That was quite enjoyable but not for the racing which was pretty well not existent. Gate and ride a consistent line and you'd probably win the race.

Miss the start or get beat up on the first corner then that's where you'd stay. Woffinden's scorecard sums it up, as does someone making the semi-final on 7 points:

95. Bartosz Zmarzlik (Poland) - FX, 1, 3, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 1 = 12 (they haven't put 3rd against Bart )
30. Leon Madsen (Denmark) - 2, 0, 1, 3, 1 = 7
71. Maciej Janowski (Poland) - 2, 2, 2, 1, 0 = 7
66. Fredrik Lindgren (Sweden) - 2, 2, 0, 3, 2 = 9 + 2 + 3 = 14 WINNER
505. Robert Lambert (Great Britain) - 1, 0, 0, 2, 3 = 6
99. Dan Bewley (Great Britain) - 3, 0, 3, 1, 2 = 9 + 0 = 9
692. Patryk Dudek (Poland) - 1, 1, 1, 0, 1 = 4
108. Tai Woffinden (Great Britain) - 1, 3, 0, 3, 0 = 7 + 0 = 7
54. Martin Vaculik (Slovakia) - 2, 1, 3, 2, 3 = 11 + 1 = 12
69. Jason Doyle (Australia) - 3, 3, 3, 2, 2 = 13 + 3 + FX = 16 (technical podium of some description )
155. Mikkel Michelsen (Denmark) - 3, 0, 0, 0, 3 = 6
25. Jack Holder (Australia) - 3, 2, 2, 1, 3 = 11 + 3 + 2 = 16 SECOND (technical winner)
46. Max Fricke (Australia) - 1, 3, 2, 2, 1 = 9 + 1 = 10
105. Anders Thomsen (Denmark) - 0, 2, 2, 0, 0 = 4
233. Kim Nilsson (Sweden) - 0, 1, 1, 1, 1 = 4
16. Bartlomiej Kowalski (Poland) - 0, 3, 1, 0, 0 = 4

updates

SPEEDWAY GP STANDINGS:

1 Bartosz Zmarzlik 36
2 Fredrik Lindgren 36
3 Jason Doyle 28
4 Jack Holder 26
5 Robert Lambert 23
6 Tai Woffinden 21
7 Martin Vaculik 21
8 Dan Bewley 20
9 Max Fricke 18
10 Mikkel Michelsen 17
11 Leon Madsen 12
12 Maciej Janowski 10
13 Anders Thomsen 8
14 Patryk Dudek 7
15 Kim Nilsson 4

The points scoring system is a joke. Why change something that was much fairer and worked perfectly well.

Makes me think of Red, Black and Purple.

[admin]

May 14, 2023 10:14:56 GMT Hodgy said:

May 14, 2023 8:55:15 GMT admin said:

There was just enough possible justification (Bart in front, Doyle turning in to/leaning on? - very very weak but there none the less) to allow him to make the home decision required to allow him to leave the stadium in one piece. In any GP outside of Poland, Bart would have been excluded.

If the ref hasn't commented on his reasoning then he should have to so that those who pay their money to support the SGP know how he arrived at what virtually everyone would agree was a shocking decision?

Most people agree it was a dreadful decision. I can’t believe there are still a minority saying it was the right call. Without doubt Bart should have gone.

Even though I can’t stand the knob, Holder was the unlucky one. He would have had his first GP win.

I've tried my best to give Bart the benefit of any small doubt because he was level (perhaps a tyre in front) and Doyle could have run wider because of Bart's inside dive, but why should he? Doyle was racing to win, not take himself out of the race.

That type of move is what Verstappen does in F1, goes where he shouldn't and relies on the other competitor backing out.

Correct decision or referee bottle job?

[Hodgy]

May 14, 2023 16:36:31 GMT admin said:

May 14, 2023 10:14:56 GMT Hodgy said:

Most people agree it was a dreadful decision. I can’t believe there are still a minority saying it was the right call. Without doubt Bart should have gone.

Even though I can’t stand the knob, Holder was the unlucky one. He would have had his first GP win.

I've tried my best to give Bart the benefit of any small doubt because he was level (perhaps a tyre in front) and Doyle could have run wider because of Bart's inside dive, but why should he? Doyle was racing to win, not take himself out of the race.

That type of move is what Verstappen does in F1, goes where he shouldn't and relies on the other competitor backing out.

Correct decision or referee bottle job?

I have no idea regarding Verstappen, as you know I have no interest in F1 - but any referee that looked at the impact from the behind angle had a very easy decision. Bart caused the stoppage. He bottled it in Poland.

[Hodgy]

May 14, 2023 16:04:02 GMT admin said:

May 14, 2023 10:25:35 GMT Hodgy said:

The points scoring system is a joke. Why change something that was much fairer and worked perfectly well.

Makes me think of Red, Black and Purple.

Another decision that would never work. Panthers have been Red & Black for 50 years. Our last season someone decides to completely change it, with a crap team. As Andy Jacobs would say, “what’s the point?”