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Post by admin on Dec 7, 2023 10:36:28 GMT
BBC Radio Cambs 7 December 2023 Council motion to save Peterborough speedwayAs with Bratters questions, it's clear that they want to stay at arms length from anything planning related, or at least with this monster anyway. Overall job done though. Speedway is once again recognised and centre stage, Mick Bratley makes himself known to full council and challenges them to think about the loss and destruction that they are presiding over. ding ding, next round! The motion was withdrawn because it hadn’t got a seconder, its planned to re apply, not sure why it didn’t get a seconder on the night but it was a fairly quick turnaround so maybe time came into it. Thanks Dick. Not a comment on your post but the excuse is a bit weak to be honest. If it was procedural as Julie said then it's pretty concerning that it fell down on something so basic. A proposer and seconder is usual for most such motions so they must have known that? I suspect that there was more going on (could have been something as simple as time?) and that no 2nd'er was the easy get out. |
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Post by admin on Dec 7, 2023 13:12:28 GMT
Meeting today I believe? So what was the result? Anybody know? Ah it was at the start. Bratters asked that with the EoES lost atm, what are PCC going to do to facilitate large scale culture, sporting and other activities for Peterborough people and its visitors? Councillor Peter Hiller replied saying that EoES is still officially an active events facility but that they will continue to work with interested parties/promoters and make available and use other council land for such events. He cited the Bridge Fair, Beer Festival and AEPG sponsored (although he didn't say that) Great Eastern Run, so not great examples from the 45 events that allegedly took place in the last 1/4. Using the embankment and Cathedral square as examples of available space wasn't great either if that's supposed to answer the question or fill the void. He did add that Peterborough Cultural Alliance are working on a delivery plan for events in the coming years. PCC are applying for a Arts Council England grant to aid with that objective. He also said that he couldn't say much as because of ongoing planning applications. Bratters supplementary was that the speedway track is also going to be lost and what were PCC going to do to ensure that the sport is not lost to the city. Councillor Peter Hiller once again said that he couldn't really say much because of the current planning process although he was sympathetic to our situation and would hope that something could be sorted in future, which he'd support and like to be involved in. So basically it didn't move the dial too much but did wake them all up to the situation so was very useful in that respect. It still rests on AEPG putting their applications forward and the decisions of the Planning and Environmental Committee. My feeling is that this really isn't over if Bratter's and co keep banging away. AEPG may get their 650 approved but they may not get out of LP30 which really would throw a spanner in the works. I used to hate minuting meetings, picking out the wheat from the chaff. Still got it though! Here’s the transcript of the two questions Bratters presented at Peterborough City Council full council meeting on 6/12/23 and the responses received. Public question.Mick Bratley: Peterborough has now effectively lost its Showground. How will the city provide cultural, sporting and other outdoor activities to residents and visitors on a large scale in the future? Cllr Peter Hiller: I thank Mr Bratley for his question. The status of the Peterborough Showground remains as an active Showground currently and although we are aware of planning applications for residential and leisure facilities on the site these are yet to be determined Mr Mayor and it would inappropriate for me to comment directly on these proposals at this early planning stage. Meanwhile this council is committed to supporting our partners to deliver events in Peterborough and we continue to extend the use of council land to help facilitate this for example Mr Bratley we accommodated 45 public events in the last quarter including the Bridge Fair, The Great Eastern Run and The Beer Festival. The embankment and Cathedral Square provide excellent opportunities to expand this further and we are keen to speak with potential promoters about future offerings to the benefit of our city. This council is also a founding member of The Peterborough Cultural Alliance which brings together our cultural, heritage and arts for all organisations and which is developing a delivery plan of activities and events for the coming years. To support this further an arts council England funding application has been submitted which if successful will allow us to further build on plans for the long term and ensure residents and visitors can continue to enjoy the very best that this city has to offer. Thank you Mr Mayor, Thank you Mr Bratley. Mayor Nick Sandford: Thank you Councillor Hiller. Mr Bratley, do you have a supplementary question? Mick Bratley: I do. One of the sporting assets that is about to be lost is Peterborough’s Speedway track, which has been at the East of England Showground since 1970. What can the council do to ensure this popular and successful spectator sport isn’t lost to Peterborough forever? Cllr Peter Hiller: Thank you again Mr Bratley. I’m told Mr Bratley that you have or have had an active interest in the Speedway facility at the Showground and are quite naturally very disappointed in its apparent demise as are a number of visitors to this once regular sporting event. I have to say to you Mr Bratley whilst the planning process is ongoing with the owners and their agents regarding the potential for housing development here, there’s not much I am able to add to what I have already said, that said, if validated you will of course have the opportunity to comment to planners on any planning application pertaining to the Showground also if indeed these potential outline applications are put before our planning committee you will also have the further opportunity to make public representation to the members of that committee before any decisions are made. Leading on from that Mr Bratley I have huge sympathy for both yourself and any interested parties in the Speedway facility, I myself in a former life was very keen on Speedway from the Thames Valley area, if there is anything that we are able to do to facilitate the continuation of a Speedway facility then I am sure the current leader Councillor Farooq will be very keen to be involved as I would myself. 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Post by Bigcatdiary on Dec 7, 2023 14:46:02 GMT
The motion was withdrawn because it hadn’t got a seconder, its planned to re apply, not sure why it didn’t get a seconder on the night but it was a fairly quick turnaround so maybe time came into it. Thanks Dick. Not a comment on your post but the excuse is a bit weak to be honest. If it was procedural as Julie said then it's pretty concerning that it fell down on something so basic. A proposer and seconder is usual for most such motions so they must have known that? I suspect that there was more going on (could have been something as simple as time?) and that no 2nd'er was the easy get out. I got told a bit more this morning, as most of you probably know Julie Stevenson is an independent councillor and as such doesn’t have the support that the respective parties provide for their respective party colleague's. It’s also known that the PCC CEO has advised councillors not to get involved in this current dispute whilst it’s going through the planning stages. Not very helpful but then other than Julie I don’t think this council have been that helpful so far, although the majority we spoke to entering the town hall last night were pleasant and ok apart from Wayne Fitzgerald who wouldn’t speak and brushed us away, it wasn’t hard to see why the rest of councillors booted him out of the leader of the council because I have seen rattlesnakes with more charm than he has, and his rant at the start of the meeting didn’t alter my view. |
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Post by admin on Dec 7, 2023 17:04:14 GMT
Thanks Dick. Not a comment on your post but the excuse is a bit weak to be honest. If it was procedural as Julie said then it's pretty concerning that it fell down on something so basic. A proposer and seconder is usual for most such motions so they must have known that? I suspect that there was more going on (could have been something as simple as time?) and that no 2nd'er was the easy get out. I got told a bit more this morning, as most of you probably know Julie Stevenson is an independent councillor and as such doesn’t have the support that the respective parties provide for their respective party colleague's. It’s also known that the PCC CEO has advised councillors not to get involved in this current dispute whilst it’s going through the planning stages. Not very helpful but then other than Julie I don’t think this council have been that helpful so far, although the majority we spoke to entering the town hall last night were pleasant and ok apart from Wayne Fitzgerald who wouldn’t speak and brushed us away, it wasn’t hard to see why the rest of councillors booted him out of the leader of the council because I have seen rattlesnakes with more charm than he has, and his rant at the start of the meeting didn’t alter my view. Yes I knew of her independent status but never considered her lack of support. Interesting point. Sounds like PCC didn't expect the hornets nest that they've poked so I'm not surprised by them bolting stable doors. My local councillor, who is on the Planning Committee, told me, when I asked him about this in April, that it'll go through on the nod. I pointed to the local plan & said that I wouldn't bank on that. Did you see when Fitzgerald spoke? Nastiest person in the room and got chastised for his language, A nasty piece of work so we're certainly better off with him gone. |
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Post by admin on Dec 8, 2023 9:49:15 GMT
Interesting language again in the ET 30/11/23 Panthers to be discussed by Peterborough City CouncilThe councillor has also submitted a motion to PCC’s next full council meeting calling on its leader, Cllr Mohammed Farooq (Peterborough First, Hargate and Hempsted), to meet with Peterborough Panthers’ owners to see “if there is any way the council can help to keep the sport of speedway alive in Peterborough”. This meeting will be held on 6th December. The Panthers have raced at the East of England Showground stadium for more than five decades, since their formation in 1970. Chapman is THE owner, singular!
The consortium are the OWNERS, plural!
is there something yet to break?I think your reading too much in to it. At this moment in time AFAIK Chapman still owns the club, the confusion is an ET unfortunate choice of words. As for the campaign, it’s chugging along nicely, we are getting plenty of media headlines and it was very clear from the Parish Council Meeting Wednesday that AEPG have few friends locally. So who is Peterborough City Council going to meet with? "Peterborough City Council Leader Mohammed Farooq is set to meet with the current owners of the Peterborough Panthers speedway team to discuss the club’s future." ET 7/12/23 It's not going to be Chapman is it? So is it actually representatives without power rather than owners? One assumes that if they could get something more certain about the future, which is unlikely as they'll hide behind the planning process, then that'd help the sale? |
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Post by Bigcatdiary on Dec 8, 2023 10:19:45 GMT
I think your reading too much in to it. At this moment in time AFAIK Chapman still owns the club, the confusion is an ET unfortunate choice of words. As for the campaign, it’s chugging along nicely, we are getting plenty of media headlines and it was very clear from the Parish Council Meeting Wednesday that AEPG have few friends locally. So who is Peterborough City Council going to meet with? "Peterborough City Council Leader Mohammed Farooq is set to meet with the current owners of the Peterborough Panthers speedway team to discuss the club’s future." ET 7/12/23 It's not going to be Chapman is it? So is it actually representatives without power rather than owners? One assumes that if they could get something more certain about the future, which is unlikely as they'll hide behind the planning process, then that'd help the sale? It’s the consortium, all of them it appears, Chapman has got no interest in Peterborough Panthers other than getting the best price he can for the club. The sooner he has nothing more to do with the club the better. |
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Post by admin on Dec 8, 2023 16:17:15 GMT
Chapman has got no interest in Peterborough Panthers. The sooner he has nothing more to do with the club the better. I think that we can be pretty certain that he never did. As long as we survive then taking a year out to get rid of him is worth it. Chapman really did bugger all until the end of the season (pension pot last meeting rip off of 2023 aside) when he started to put out a decent side. One can only guess that he knew all along was he was doing, shaft Panthers and plunder their riders. Whether or not he deserves the criticism or not who knows but only he can put the record straight. Knowing him as we do I don't think that he can make it sound any better so he'll never be seen again in our midst. Looks like he's speedway's equivalent of Wayne Fitzgerald. |
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Post by rodders on Dec 8, 2023 18:55:48 GMT
Chapman has got no interest in Peterborough Panthers. The sooner he has nothing more to do with the club the better. I think that we can be pretty certain that he never did. As long as we survive then taking a year out to get rid of him is worth it. Chapman really did bugger all until the end of the season (pension pot last meeting rip off of 2023 aside) when he started to put out a decent side. One can only guess that he knew all along was he was doing, shaft Panthers and plunder their riders. Whether or not he deserves the criticism or not who knows but only he can put the record straight. Knowing him as we do I don't think that he can make it sound any better so he'll never be seen again in our midst. Looks like he's speedway's equivalent of Wayne Fitzgerald. Looks to me as if planning committee are taking a Pontius Pilate stance. l |
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Post by admin on Dec 10, 2023 11:07:47 GMT
I think that we can be pretty certain that he never did. As long as we survive then taking a year out to get rid of him is worth it. Chapman really did bugger all until the end of the season (pension pot last meeting rip off of 2023 aside) when he started to put out a decent side. One can only guess that he knew all along was he was doing, shaft Panthers and plunder their riders. Whether or not he deserves the criticism or not who knows but only he can put the record straight. Knowing him as we do I don't think that he can make it sound any better so he'll never be seen again in our midst. Looks like he's speedway's equivalent of Wayne Fitzgerald. Looks to me as if planning committee are taking a Pontius Pilate stance. And for anyone confused by Rodders musings and introduction of a Christmas theme: Who Was Pontius Pilate, Before and After Jesus' Crucifixion? |
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Post by rodders on Dec 10, 2023 16:04:11 GMT
More Easter than Christmas I would have thought!!! Perhaps it is just me but surely everybody knows who Pontius Pilate was. Hence the phrase "I wash my hands of it" |
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Post by admin on Dec 10, 2023 16:46:50 GMT
More Easter than Christmas I would have thought!!! Perhaps it is just me but surely everybody knows who Pontius Pilate was. Hence the phrase "I wash my hands of it" I didn't. Had to do a Google search. I can see the analogy though. |
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Post by Hodgy on Dec 11, 2023 5:00:41 GMT
More Easter than Christmas I would have thought!!! Perhaps it is just me but surely everybody knows who Pontius Pilate was. Hence the phrase "I wash my hands of it" I didn’t. Sounds like it is from Life of Brian  |
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