AEPG's EoES planning applications 2024.

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May 22, 2024 18:32:06 GMT rodders said:

Despite claims re profit and loss, finance etc, Butterfield's thing against Speedway can be encapsulated in his remark "who is going to buy a house near a Speedway Track" may be true but plenty of people have.

Agreed. You can see plenty of speedway tracks with nearby/next door housing. Football stadiums are much more disruptive for much longer periods but they have no issues building and selling houses nearby.

Butterfield also weakens a weak argument by saying "Speedway meets 14 times a year for three hours a time and so for that they are trying to stop this development happening in Peterborough. Really, really selfish.”

So for 72 hours a year of an intermittent 60 second drone and associated PA sounds, those marvelling in Butterfield's vision would forego a house and all of the alleged amazing opportunities the concrete jungle offers due to the speedway? If you say so!

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May 22, 2024 16:55:49 GMT rodders said:

I think that it should be born in mind that we selfish people are not trying to destroy the development but to preserve Speedway, quite happy for development to go ahead if a way is found to preserve Speedway. On the other hand it is intrinsic in Butterfields plans to destroy Speedway, for avaricious purposes.

Good post Rodders, I'd have been proud of that one.

We are not the ones who stopped the club running for no good reason. We did not draw up plans that did not incorporate one of the city's most successful high profile sporting teams, therefore ending that valued sport and team in the city. We are not the ones trying to escape our responsibilities within the local plan.

Speedway supporters are some of the friendliest, least offensive people you will find so to insult them because they are giving you a rough time says much more about you than them!

[Hodgy]

May 22, 2024 18:32:06 GMT rodders said:

Despite claims re profit and loss, finance etc, Butterfield's thing against Speedway can be encapsulated in his remark "who is going to buy a house near a Speedway Track" may be true but plenty of people have.

Then complain about the noise.

[Hodgy]

May 22, 2024 20:44:53 GMT admin said:

May 22, 2024 16:55:49 GMT rodders said:

I think that it should be born in mind that we selfish people are not trying to destroy the development but to preserve Speedway, quite happy for development to go ahead if a way is found to preserve Speedway. On the other hand it is intrinsic in Butterfields plans to destroy Speedway, for avaricious purposes.

Good post Rodders, I'd have been proud of that one.

We are not the ones who stopped the club running for no good reason. We did not draw up plans that did not incorporate one of the city's most successful high profile sporting teams, therefore ending that valued sport and team in the city. We are not the ones trying to escape our responsibilities within the local plan.

Speedway supporters are some of the friendliest, least offensive people you will find so to insult them because they are giving you a rough time says much more about you than them!

It certainly does. It’s all about the money, money, money. On the video he came across terrible in my opinion, how not to present in order to win over an audience. The response was confused that didn’t appear to know whether to applaud or not. Del Boy. Can’t see Speedway ever returning but it is still that fly that won’t leave the room. Cushty!

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May 22, 2024 22:20:58 GMT Hodgy said:

On the video he came across terrible in my opinion, how not to present in order to win over an audience. The response was confused that didn’t appear to know whether to applaud or not. Del Boy. Can’t see Speedway ever returning but it is still that fly that won’t leave the room. Cushty!

The way he sprung into action in his safe space of like minds was hilarious. Of course they were going to buy what he tells them without question, that's what he's done from the start and is just what they wanted to hear. The smug git who chirped in at the end summed them up!

And as for "I've told you 25 times Paul" and speedway 250 times why we can't have speedway? That suggests that there's a big problem with the answer? Just because you keep repeating the same guff doesn't mean that people will eventually buy it!

I did think that it was the end last October, not that I attended again after Chapman's toxic speech, but I still think that there is a lot to play for and some cracks are appearing,

Bratters said long ago that they are going to have to talk to us at some point and I don't think that he is wrong on that,

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May 22, 2024 18:32:06 GMT rodders said:

Despite claims re profit and loss, finance etc, Butterfield's thing against Speedway can be encapsulated in his remark "who is going to buy a house near a Speedway Track" may be true but plenty of people have.

You'll like this one Rodders:

Comments for Planning Application 23/00412/OUT submitted on 22/05/2024

Commenter Type: Adjoining Neighbour from Orton Southgate

Stance: Customer objects - Comments: This is an additional comment to my previous comment which I'm making after speaking with Ashley Butterfield (in charge of AEPG) at a recent event.

I moved into Orton Southgate knowing full well and supporting the local events which takes place at the Showground and knowing what a lovely small community Orton Southgate offers it's residents.

However after hearing AEPGs plans to add more housing has made me question my decision to live here.

I don't want to live near a building site. Let alone all that will be brought to the area after everything is all completed.

I frequently walk through the estate and past the showground which is a great way for me to get some nice quiet time after a busy day.

However if AEPGs plans go through that will all be ruined.

Having more residents crammed into this natural green space not only ruins the landscape but it also adds way more pollution, traffic and noise.

It's almost impossible to get a doctors appointment as it is, adding all the houses won't help. Traffic can be a nightmare so adding an average of 2-3 cars per household is going to block up the area and cause way more congestion.

All of the health and leisure facilities AEPG are proposing aren't needed. As a local resident I already have everything I need (loads of gyms near by, loads of parks with sports facilities)

We don't need to be ruining the little green space with have left in the area with more building work and turning it into a concrete jungle

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May 22, 2024 15:53:38 GMT admin said:

May 22, 2024 12:34:58 GMT bratters said:

However, a consortium statement is imminent.

It looks like Butterfield wants a business case, if I've guessed correctly the missing words on this article that doesn't appear yet on the PT website that I can see?



It's all money with that bloke! Community, culture, Peterborough history and profile are an afterthought.

And there it is:

peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/politics/aepg-boss-tells-peterborough-speedway-fans-to-present-business-case-as-supporters-bid-to-save-the-panthers (interesting that it's not penned by Paul Grinnell (Business Editor) who seems to attach himself to all such related issues )

AEPG boss tells Peterborough speedway fans to 'present business case' as supporters bid to save the Panthers (that's Ashley Butterfield, chief executive of land promoter AEPG, who labelled speedway fans in Peterborough as ‘selfish’ at a meeting last week

Peterborough speedway fans have been told to ‘present a business case’ to keep the sport alive in the city as the campaign to save the Panthers continues.

Despite winning numerous trophies and championships over the years, the Panthers speedway team is facing closure (Facing? He's closed it and wrecked the infrastructure!!), thanks to a proposed new development at their ‘spiritual home,’ the East of England Showground.

Fans who are desperate to see the team stay alive have called for the track to be saved – but land promotors AEPG, who are leading the development, have said the sport is not financially viable in Peterborough. (and we're doing our best to engineer a way out of the local plan - read LP36 & LP30 if you're unfamiliar )
- and now AEPG CEO Ashley Butterfield has told fans to submit a business plan, to prove the team can be financially viable.

Members of the Peterborough Panthers Speedway Consortium wrote a letter to Mr Butterfield – and cc’d in The Peterborough Telegraph – asking him to respond to questions including comments he had made that suggested ‘AEPG’s land use plan is supported by 50,000 / 100,000 people,’ and that ‘A sport’s viability is a material planning consideration where a sporting facility is at risk of development.’

Mr Butterfield replied to the consortium – and included the Peterborough Telegraph in his reply. He said: “The support we are receiving is exceptionally positive and we are currently reviewing the best way to factually present this. We will do this in due course and prior to any planning committee. We understand that the Speedway are disappointed there will no longer be speedway events at the showground but the full suite of documents on the PCC planning portal explains all the validation for this decision.

“During discussion with a handful of the speedway supporters at the event it was suggested the speedway produced and submitted to us a business plan. We can then review in detail and understand how you believe it is viable. We suggest any business plan refers to our leisure and community impact assessment of which financial details on facility, facility upgrade, operational and rental/licence fee costs can be found, obviously these will need to factor into your viability section of the business plan along with the sport trends, and spectator numbers nationally with expected future predictions plus a detailed source of funding and covenants for such. Please also make clear the ownership of the company and include the licences required to operate so we can thoroughly review and compare against other sporting opportunities we have.”

Hundreds of objections submitted (think that it's probably 1000's)
Hundreds of objections to AEPG’s outline planning proposals have already been submitted to Peterborough City Council.

At a meeting to discuss the proposals earlier this month, Mr Butterfield labelled speedway fans in the city as ‘selfish’ saying: “How selfish are a very small cohort of people trying to stop a development for their own sport?

"It meets 14 times a year for three hours a time and for that they are trying to stop this development happening in Peterborough. Really, really selfish.”

He added: “The reason why we can’t have speedway is because it loses money. They keep saying it is viable. It is not. I can show you the records, accounts and the finances over 50 years of losing money.”

The Peterborough Telegraph also reported that Mr Butterfield said The Panthers’ home was ‘never’ at the Showground – despite the team racing at the venue since 1970.

While not wanting to promote Butterfield's vision, I feel less and less interested the more I read about it so will actually put it here. So Peterborough is missing and crying out for all of this guff? Some may be useful but could go elsewhere, but that's it:


The proposals for the Showground will include an indoor arena, a court for a padel – a mix of tennis and squash – a two storey, state-of-the-art golf driving range, a zip coaster, climbing wall, bungee trampolines, a jump tower and bounce pillow, mini Land Rovers, a bike trail and more. (Anyone know what's the situation with the climbing wall and activity centre at Nene Park across the road or overlap with the much larger and important Great Haddon project?)

There will be a 4,640 square metre indoor family entertainment centre plus a 250-bed hotel, a school and a retirement village overseen by the Extracare charitable trust.

The 1,500 residential homes will be ecologically sound and in green space maintained to an ‘exceptional ’ standard. (Affordable housing not mentioned, that'll p' off Peterborough Citizens)

It is expected the development, which could take 12 years to complete, will create about 1,000 jobs and add £55.3 million in the value of goods and services to the city economy. (expected, could and about doing the heavy lifting there)

[rodders]

AEPG have been one step ahead of the game from the outset!! Arguably assisted by Chapman who for reasons best known to himself has capitulated to the wishes of AEPG. Having made the grandstand effectively unusable, removed the track and the pits area it is difficult to see how a plan could now be put forward to make Speedway seem profitable to the showground owners having effectively ensured that it is no longer any use for other purposes. I did suggest at the outset that some form of court order be considered to ensure no action was taken to remove the infrastructure of the track pits and grandstand. We were told that such things were in place already. Well that worked well did it not. Nothing but admiration for those maintaining the fight, might be helpful to hear where they are at the moment and any positive results. Many people are now losing interest in Speedway with no Panthers team. Myself and the people we normally sit with went to Ipswich over Bank Holiday and found it lees than captivating, some were making up their own teams to engender some interest.

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May 23, 2024 16:43:52 GMT rodders said:

AEPG have been one step ahead of the game from the outset!! Arguably assisted by Chapman who for reasons best known to himself has capitulated to the wishes of AEPG. Having made the grandstand effectively unusable, removed the track and the pits area it is difficult to see how a plan could now be put forward to make Speedway seem profitable to the showground owners having effectively ensured that it is no longer any use for other purposes. I did suggest at the outset that some form of court order be considered to ensure no action was taken to remove the infrastructure of the track pits and grandstand. We were told that such things were in place already. Well that worked well did it not. Nothing but admiration for those maintaining the fight, might be helpful to hear where they are at the moment and any positive results. Many people are now losing interest in Speedway with no Panthers team. Myself and the people we normally sit with went to Ipswich over Bank Holiday and found it lees than captivating, some were making up their own teams to engender some interest.

As you know Rodders, I'm not going down the negative route but I share most of your frustrations along with many others as you say.

AEPG are in the driving seat and we can only react unfortunately but some of the blows do seem to be landing with some regularity now, or is that just me?

I'm also disappointed that all of our smoking guns thus far have turned in to a spud gun! Time is running out but hopefully our luck will change at some point. The Save Peterborough Speedway campaign started 12 months too late and some people need to have a word with themselves IMO.

As to AEPG wrecking the infrastructure, it's still easier and cheaper to put that right than start afresh but would require longevity of tenure, as was alluded too for those who want to resurrect Coventry. AEPG's vandalism was done for a purpose. I just hope that PCC noted those nefarious actions that were clearly designed to break the opposition and extricate themselves from LP30

I'm not sure where to go on the finance issue. I'm struggling with that but if anyone can cut through what AEPG say then the consortium and friends can (lots of EoES speedway administration experience in there). If all sports teams in the UK had to stand alone and make a profit then I doubt that we'd have much sport in the UK. It's a ridiculous statement by Butterfield but goes down well at Opportunity Peterborough which is wholly owned by Peterborough City Council which is rather worrying? The consortium have got their work cut out deciphering the Leisure and Community Impact Assessment Report, but good luck to them, I'm sure that they are up to the task.

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May 21, 2024 17:14:35 GMT admin said:

Make sure that you are not eating or drinking before you watch this. It could get very messy as you spit the food or drink out in disgust

Peterborough speedway protesters branded 'selfish'

Opportunity Peterborough was founded in 2005 as an urban regeneration company. Five years later our remit evolved to lead the city’s economic development and inward investment activity. We’re a private not-for-profit business, wholly owned by Peterborough City Council.

Peterborough’s Bondholder network is made up of a diverse and vibrant mix of companies operating across a range of business sectors. They’re companies that want to see Peterborough’s economy flourish, and they want to be part of its success.

Tough crowd - including the funny bloke who chipped in with "that's what people do" - what's that then mate, do explain!

It'd be interesting to know if the whole presentation was recorded to see what else was said by Butterfield. One assumes that this was just a snapshot, perhaps even a bit of a planned promotional set-up which spectacularly backfired

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Cost of building Olympic-grade Climbing Wall at Peterborough's Ferry Meadows rises to £10 million

The cost of building an Olympic-grade Climbing Wall and activity centre on parkland in Peterborough has risen to £10 million, it has been revealed.

Inflationary pressures on costs have been blamed for a £2 million hike in the cost of building the venue on the edge of Gunwade Lake in Ferry Meadows.

Plans for the the 34.25 metres high Climbing Wall and the Lakeside Activity Centre, which will feature one of the country’s largest Clip ‘n Climb arenas, suitable for families, a nature themed toddler arena, a café and spaces for community groups to hire, were drawn up in 2019 when the estimated cost of the project was put at £8 million.

- so Peterborough will not be deficient in such facilities so why are climbing walls allegedly planned for the EoES? And what will be the delay and inflation cost increase over 12 years associated with AEPG's unwanted vision

It secured planning approval from Peterborough City Council in 2021.

Two years ago, the project secured £1.5 million towards the costs under the Government’s Towns Fund initiative with the rest of the money to be raised by the trust and other funding streams.

The first phase of the development – the construction of a new car park – has already been completed

A spokesperson for Nene Park Trust said: “The current estimate for the building is £10 million.”

"We then have the Towns Fund to fund part of that activity and we’re currently working on securing funding from other partners.”

It is expected to create 31 permanent jobs and to generate £2 million a year for the local economy.

When completed, the Climbing Wall will be one of the tallest buildings in the city.

peterboroughtoday/cost-of-building-olympic-grade-climbing-wall-at-peterboroughs-ferry-meadows-rises-to-10-million 28/5/24

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May 28, 2024 9:36:29 GMT admin said:

Cost of building Olympic-grade Climbing Wall at Peterborough's Ferry Meadows rises to £10 million

The cost of building an Olympic-grade Climbing Wall and activity centre on parkland in Peterborough has risen to £10 million, it has been revealed.

Inflationary pressures on costs have been blamed for a £2 million hike in the cost of building the venue on the edge of Gunwade Lake in Ferry Meadows.

Plans for the the 34.25 metres high Climbing Wall and the Lakeside Activity Centre, which will feature one of the country’s largest Clip ‘n Climb arenas, suitable for families, a nature themed toddler arena, a café and spaces for community groups to hire, were drawn up in 2019 when the estimated cost of the project was put at £8 million.

- so Peterborough will not be deficient in such facilities so why are climbing walls allegedly planned for the EoES? And what will be the delay and inflation cost increase over 12 years associated with AEPG's unwanted vision

It secured planning approval from Peterborough City Council in 2021.

Two years ago, the project secured £1.5 million towards the costs under the Government’s Towns Fund initiative with the rest of the money to be raised by the trust and other funding streams.

The first phase of the development – the construction of a new car park – has already been completed

A spokesperson for Nene Park Trust said: “The current estimate for the building is £10 million.”

"We then have the Towns Fund to fund part of that activity and we’re currently working on securing funding from other partners.”

It is expected to create 31 permanent jobs and to generate £2 million a year for the local economy.

When completed, the Climbing Wall will be one of the tallest buildings in the city.

peterboroughtoday/cost-of-building-olympic-grade-climbing-wall-at-peterboroughs-ferry-meadows-rises-to-10-million 28/5/24

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As not a resident of Peterborough so not qualified to comment , however do not see many would be left bereft without a climbing wall

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May 28, 2024 10:42:46 GMT rodders said:

May 28, 2024 9:36:29 GMT admin said:

Cost of building Olympic-grade Climbing Wall at Peterborough's Ferry Meadows rises to £10 million

The cost of building an Olympic-grade Climbing Wall and activity centre on parkland in Peterborough has risen to £10 million, it has been revealed.

Inflationary pressures on costs have been blamed for a £2 million hike in the cost of building the venue on the edge of Gunwade Lake in Ferry Meadows.

Plans for the the 34.25 metres high Climbing Wall and the Lakeside Activity Centre, which will feature one of the country’s largest Clip ‘n Climb arenas, suitable for families, a nature themed toddler arena, a café and spaces for community groups to hire, were drawn up in 2019 when the estimated cost of the project was put at £8 million.

- so Peterborough will not be deficient in such facilities so why are climbing walls allegedly planned for the EoES? And what will be the delay and inflation cost increase over 12 years associated with AEPG's unwanted vision

It secured planning approval from Peterborough City Council in 2021.

Two years ago, the project secured £1.5 million towards the costs under the Government’s Towns Fund initiative with the rest of the money to be raised by the trust and other funding streams.

The first phase of the development – the construction of a new car park – has already been completed

A spokesperson for Nene Park Trust said: “The current estimate for the building is £10 million.”

"We then have the Towns Fund to fund part of that activity and we’re currently working on securing funding from other partners.”

It is expected to create 31 permanent jobs and to generate £2 million a year for the local economy.

When completed, the Climbing Wall will be one of the tallest buildings in the city.

peterboroughtoday/cost-of-building-olympic-grade-climbing-wall-at-peterboroughs-ferry-meadows-rises-to-10-million 28/5/24

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As not a resident of Peterborough so not qualified to comment , however do not see many would be left bereft without a climbing wall

I think that the claim that Peterborough is deficient of any of the things proposed, that this proposal is well supported and wanted by 25-50% of the local population, and that the claims and sources within the so called 4 key reports confirm all of that, does require detailed examination and I sure that they will be closely scrutinised.

[bratters]

The irony of this comment in support, made me laugh like a drain.

Customer made comments in support
I think this will be really beneficial for people in Peterborough as the city doesn't have much for people to do with families, this will be refreshing to see.

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May 28, 2024 21:28:32 GMT bratters said:

The irony of this comment in support, made me laugh like a drain.

Customer made comments in support
I think this will be really beneficial for people in Peterborough as the city doesn't have much for people to do with families, this will be refreshing to see.

I was going to post that. It made me chuckle as well. I'm buggered if I know how they come to that conclusion from the proposal

[bratters]

May 28, 2024 23:25:17 GMT admin said:

May 28, 2024 21:28:32 GMT bratters said:

The irony of this comment in support, made me laugh like a drain.

Customer made comments in support
I think this will be really beneficial for people in Peterborough as the city doesn't have much for people to do with families, this will be refreshing to see.

I was going to post that. It made me chuckle as well. I'm buggered if I know how they come to that conclusion from the proposal

There’s probably a contract waiting for them.

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May 29, 2024 7:33:13 GMT bratters said:

May 28, 2024 23:25:17 GMT admin said:

I was going to post that. It made me chuckle as well. I'm buggered if I know how they come to that conclusion from the proposal

There’s probably a contract waiting for them.

Certainly one on hold here - nice objection to add to the list, even though not speedway related directly!

Comments for Planning Application 23/00400/OUT - Comments were submitted at 28/05/2024

Commenter Type: Adjoining Neighbour - Stance: Customer objects (Comments: This is my second submission/objection to the above-referenced development).

The reason for this second document is due to AEPG's publicity concerning their proposed leisure partner,

Greenspan.

On April 24th, Mr. Butterfield provided further details of the Cultura 50-acre development in an interview with Paul Grinnell of the Peterborough Telegraph.

According to Mr. Butterfield, the Showground's leisure village will now include an indoor arena plus 16 or so leisure activities.

AEPG proudly promotes that this center will be designed by leisure attractions specialist Greenspan, the creator of Volcano Falls in Milton Keynes. However, it is clear that this development is not about creating outdoor activities and traditional sports facilities for the residents of Peterborough. Instead, it is a theme park largely aimed at external paying visitors. This proves that the original plans submitted are already obsolete, with no leisure facilities for the community being included or any consideration of the road system requirements to serve such a venture.

Please therefore reject this plan.

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May 21, 2024 17:14:35 GMT admin said:

Make sure that you are not eating or drinking before you watch this. It could get very messy as you spit the food or drink out in disgust

Peterborough speedway protesters branded 'selfish'

Opportunity Peterborough was founded in 2005 as an urban regeneration company. Five years later our remit evolved to lead the city’s economic development and inward investment activity. We’re a private not-for-profit business, wholly owned by Peterborough City Council.

Peterborough’s Bondholder network is made up of a diverse and vibrant mix of companies operating across a range of business sectors. They’re companies that want to see Peterborough’s economy flourish, and they want to be part of its success.

Tough crowd - including the funny bloke who chipped in with "that's what people do" - what's that then mate, do explain!

and they're off again www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/people/peterborough-businesses-predicting-better-year-ahead-has-shot-up-says-leading-accountant-4646069

[rodders]

How does Butterfield manage to get away with portraying the illusion that he is only in this as he is making a grand Philanthropic gesture for the benefit of Peterborough when he is in fact only in it for personal financial gain?

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Jun 1, 2024 21:25:42 GMT rodders said:

How does Butterfield manage to get away with portraying the illusion that he is only in this as he is making a grand Philanthropic gesture for the benefit of Peterborough when he is in fact only in it for personal financial gain?

He chooses his audiences carefully: mainly those not affected by the consequences of his unwanted cash cow pension pot development; groups that love a sugar daddy sponsor; groups that have not been around too long so have little knowledge of the history, tradition & community values that he wishes to run roughshod over; those allegedly likely to gain financially and finally some business golfing buddies? That's my take on it!

Personally I don't believe that he is getting away with it and his ‘selfish, small cohort’ (I've told you 25 times and them 250 times) rant in front of a group of such business community golfing buddy types was the first real signs of desperation IMO. I never thought that we'd get to such a point but that was a positive IMO.

As you would say Rodders, a note of caution, we are playing catch up and seemingly always waiting for their next move, without, as yet, any realistic evidenced target and/or outcome from our side to aim for, but we are very much still in the race and gaining traction. Who would have thought that we'd still be saying that in June 2024?

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All gone a bit quiet atm. I'm sure that it'll kick off again at any moment. Despite the 50 to 100,000 Butterfield/AEPG supporters, but it's good to see the objections still coming

Comments for Planning Application 23/00412/OUT Comments were submitted at 01/06/2024

Commenter Type: Public - Stance: Customer objects:

Comments: This development is nothing but a money grab and will not add any value to the local area. Peterborough is already struggling for local amenities to keep locals interested in sports. To lose the speedway stadium just removes one of the few centres of interests in the area.

[bratters]

The BSPL and SCB submitted a joint further objection on 24/05/24 denouncing much of the section on Speedway in the Leisure and Amenities document that AEPG recently placed on the planning portal. Despite several emails to the planning department asking why they haven’t published it, it has still not appeared, leaving me mightily pissed off.

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Jun 4, 2024 14:47:50 GMT bratters said:

The BSPL and SCB submitted a joint further objection on 24/05/24 denouncing much of the section on Speedway in the Leisure and Amenities document that AEPG recently placed on the planning portal. Despite several emails to the planning department asking why they haven’t published it, it has still not appeared, leaving me mightily pissed off.

Oh that's disappointing although not surprising? I'd guess that they'd run it by Butterfield first? I think that I'd seen him moaning on another portal item about not being given the opportunity to address the points made before it becomes public, so buckle up, they'll be working on their press release rebuttal as we speak.

I was going to say that I'll chase it up via my local councillor but he's always been out of bounds because he's on the Planning and Environmental Protection Committee. However, I've just checked PCC website and he's off the membership list, so off we go, in a bit

Having said all that, if it was sent by e-mail and not entered on the the portal direct then that'll potentially hold it up. It's not a good reason but is a sufficient get out clause for delay. Added to that, 24th was a Friday before the B/H and my guess (it's Public Sector after all, and having being in it once myself ) would be that the case officer never saw it and only returned to work yesterday? Returning to an full inbox and/or other dross. If it doesn't appear this week then action will be required

[rodders]

Jun 4, 2024 15:31:10 GMT admin said:

Jun 4, 2024 14:47:50 GMT bratters said:

The BSPL and SCB submitted a joint further objection on 24/05/24 denouncing much of the section on Speedway in the Leisure and Amenities document that AEPG recently placed on the planning portal. Despite several emails to the planning department asking why they haven’t published it, it has still not appeared, leaving me mightily pissed off.

Oh that's disappointing although not surprising? I'd guess that they'd run it by Butterfield first? I think that I'd seen him moaning on another portal item about not being given the opportunity to address the points made before it becomes public, so buckle up, they'll be working on their press release rebuttal as we speak.

I was going to say that I'll chase it up via my local councillor but he's always been out of bounds because he's on the Planning and Environmental Protection Committee. However, I've just checked PCC website and he's off the membership list, so off we go, in a bit

Having said all that, if it was sent by e-mail and not entered on the the portal direct then that'll potentially hold it up. It's not a good reason but is a sufficient get out clause for delay. Added to that, 24th was a Friday before the B/H and my guess (it's Public Sector after all, and having being in it once myself ) would be that the case officer never saw it and only returned to work yesterday? Returning to an full inbox and/or other dross. If it doesn't appear this week then action will be required

Although we supposedly live in a democracy, money greed and avarice will always win the day! What the average person thinks or wants those in charge do not give a stuff.

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Jun 4, 2024 16:38:10 GMT rodders said:

Jun 4, 2024 15:31:10 GMT admin said:

Oh that's disappointing although not surprising? I'd guess that they'd run it by Butterfield first? I think that I'd seen him moaning on another portal item about not being given the opportunity to address the points made before it becomes public, so buckle up, they'll be working on their press release rebuttal as we speak.

I was going to say that I'll chase it up via my local councillor but he's always been out of bounds because he's on the Planning and Environmental Protection Committee. However, I've just checked PCC website and he's off the membership list, so off we go, in a bit

Having said all that, if it was sent by e-mail and not entered on the the portal direct then that'll potentially hold it up. It's not a good reason but is a sufficient get out clause for delay. Added to that, 24th was a Friday before the B/H and my guess (it's Public Sector after all, and having being in it once myself ) would be that the case officer never saw it and only returned to work yesterday? Returning to an full inbox and/or other dross. If it doesn't appear this week then action will be required

Although we supposedly live in a democracy, money greed and avarice will always win the day! What the average person thinks or wants those in charge do not give a stuff.

If the last 8 years (since Brexit and through Covid) has taught us anything then it's that the only democracy is the one where the plebs agree with the wealthy who are themselves unaffected by their incompetent policies and decision making

Now with that off my chest, it's hard to disagree with your statement but I'm sure that there have been cases where money greed and avarice hasn't won the day? Don't ask me to evidence that

The odds are stacked against us but atm I believe that we can get a result of some sort and nothing as yet is off the table?

When the BSPL/SCB response to the AEPG Leisure and Community Impact Assessment Report appears then that could hopefully raise the temperature again