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LP30 l - Surely not?

Off to collect my winnings from Ladbrokes, they've gave me odds on that response

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

[rodders]

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

Off to collect my winnings from Ladbrokes, they've gave me odds on that response

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

Have said before and say again that the continuity of Panthers has little to do with whether or not planning permission is granted or not!! May be totally wrong but would be interested to learn views of consortium. No compunction for landlord to grant a lease or for that matter anybody being forced to continue with one. The future if any for Panthers is clearly in my view somewhere other than the showground and the sooner this is appreciated the more chance there is for a future for Panthers. Procrastination is the thief of time.

[admin]

Apr 30, 2024 15:22:22 GMT rodders said:

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

Off to collect my winnings from Ladbrokes, they've gave me odds on that response

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

Have said before and say again that the continuity of Panthers has little to do with whether or not planning permission is granted or not!! May be totally wrong but would be interested to learn views of consortium. No compunction for landlord to grant a lease or for that matter anybody being forced to continue with one. The future if any for Panthers is clearly in my view somewhere other than the showground and the sooner this is appreciated the more chance there is for a future for Panthers. Procrastination is the thief of time.

Yes you have said it before, numerous times! The consortium have made their views known, along with their objective. Their position is clear as perhaps it can be and needs to be supported. Now is not the time to confuse the issue in public and go down a negative rabbit hole. I'm pretty confident that that is what they would say?

[admin]

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

Off to collect my winnings from Ladbrokes, they've gave me odds on that response

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

On that basis one assumes that everything within their development that can be found within reasonable proximity is double counting and surplus to requirements?

May need to have a closer look?

[admin]

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

Was pointed to this gem on the PCC Planning Portal:

I’m sure that AEPG will claim that there are alternative speedway provisions within reasonable proximity where city and surrounding fans of the sport can attend. Hopefully somebody within Peterborough City Council understands our sport and doesn’t buy that. Peterborough Speedway is a special and unique facility within the UK, with the track also recognised as perhaps one of the best in the world. Anyone who knows anything about our sport knows that the National Speedway Stadium in Manchester is the only alternative provision that exists within the UK that could possibly come close in terms of product and customer experience. Anyone who knows anything about anything knows that the likes of Leicester and Kings Lynn offer nothing like the speedway experience of Peterborough Speedway at the East of England Showground.

It shows about as much understanding of our sport as would knocking down Old Trafford or the Etihad Stadium and telling those Manchester football fans that they can travel to Burnley! At least a football pitch is a football pitch; the same comparison can’t be made with speedway because all tracks offer at different experience, with only the NSS Manchester bettering or equalling Peterborough Speedway.

[rodders]

May 2, 2024 13:49:39 GMT admin said:

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

Was pointed to this gem on the PCC Planning Portal:

I’m sure that AEPG will claim that there are alternative speedway provisions within reasonable proximity where city and surrounding fans of the sport can attend. Hopefully somebody within Peterborough City Council understands our sport and doesn’t buy that. Peterborough Speedway is a special and unique facility within the UK, with the track also recognised as perhaps one of the best in the world. Anyone who knows anything about our sport knows that the National Speedway Stadium in Manchester is the only alternative provision that exists within the UK that could possibly come close in terms of product and customer experience. Anyone who knows anything about anything knows that the likes of Leicester and Kings Lynn offer nothing like the speedway experience of Peterborough Speedway at the East of England Showground.

It shows about as much understanding of our sport as would knocking down Old Trafford or the Etihad Stadium and telling those Manchester football fans that they can travel to Burnley! At least a football pitch is a football pitch; the same comparison can’t be made with speedway because all tracks offer at different experience, with only the NSS Manchester bettering or equalling Peterborough Speedway.

On the basis o f the argument re percentage of population using facilities , all Churches, Synagogues and Mosques should close on the basis of small percentage of population that use them

[admin]

May 2, 2024 13:58:42 GMT rodders said:

May 2, 2024 13:49:39 GMT admin said:

Was pointed to this gem on the PCC Planning Portal:

I’m sure that AEPG will claim that there are alternative speedway provisions within reasonable proximity where city and surrounding fans of the sport can attend. Hopefully somebody within Peterborough City Council understands our sport and doesn’t buy that. Peterborough Speedway is a special and unique facility within the UK, with the track also recognised as perhaps one of the best in the world. Anyone who knows anything about our sport knows that the National Speedway Stadium in Manchester is the only alternative provision that exists within the UK that could possibly come close in terms of product and customer experience. Anyone who knows anything about anything knows that the likes of Leicester and Kings Lynn offer nothing like the speedway experience of Peterborough Speedway at the East of England Showground.

It shows about as much understanding of our sport as would knocking down Old Trafford or the Etihad Stadium and telling those Manchester football fans that they can travel to Burnley! At least a football pitch is a football pitch; the same comparison can’t be made with speedway because all tracks offer at different experience, with only the NSS Manchester bettering or equalling Peterborough Speedway.

On the basis of the argument re percentage of population using facilities, all Churches, Synagogues and Mosques should close on the basis of small percentage of population that use them

Not sure that Mosques is a good analogy? When I was working in town centre and needed a taxi on Friday afternoon (can't recall whether it was 2-3pm or 3-4pm) or wanted to drive home quickly via my regular route then forget about it, few drivers available and it was gridlock on the route like 5pm on town bridge after a POSH match.

As to your point, although I'll have a look through these reports I did get fed up with reading them. As you point out, I just kept thinking that if you're going to use that argument then what about "whatever" that we can also compare it with?

[admin]

In standard AEPG consultation style of no detail (regarding what he said or to whom? (although as Kev Lawrence keeps liking their posts and swooning when Butterfield prattles on, one assume it was PCRFM) & no recording?) and telling you how they see it? This is their Facebook, comments closed, post

AEPG Facebook

Did you catch our Founder and CEO Ashley Butterfield on the radio this morning?

If you snoozed your alarm (and who wouldn't ) or were dropping the kids off at school we've got you covered.

Yesterday for the first time we released four key reports conducted by an independent party

We will be focusing on these in the coming weeks, and we would urge residents to read them before commenting on the planning portal. Many of the questions that people have posed are answered in these INDEPENDENT reports.

Why not make yourself a brew and take 5 minutes out of your day to give them a read.

only 1m 15s per report? They must be real quality

[bratters]

Apr 30, 2024 15:22:22 GMT rodders said:

Apr 30, 2024 12:34:12 GMT admin said:

Off to collect my winnings from Ladbrokes, they've gave me odds on that response

From the Peterborough Local Plan LP30 - l. The service provided by the facility is met by alternative provision that exists within a yet to be agreed reasonable proximity.

From The Development Summary report - Speedway is in decline nationally and even after a substantial discount (70+% on the standard cost) on its license fee on the Showground, it has struggled financially. Speedway is also present in other accessible regional venues, notably Kings Lynn, where most of the former Panthers riders where most of the former Panthers riders are now
based. (atm, Tarasenko apart)

Only way that the product is similar is that Chapman's team is, as per usual, on course for the wooden spoon

Have said before and say again that the continuity of Panthers has little to do with whether or not planning permission is granted or not!! May be totally wrong but would be interested to learn views of consortium. No compunction for landlord to grant a lease or for that matter anybody being forced to continue with one. The future if any for Panthers is clearly in my view somewhere other than the showground and the sooner this is appreciated the more chance there is for a future for Panthers. Procrastination is the thief of time.

It has everything to do with planning permission. Planning permission should not be granted unless the Local Plan and the National Planning Policy Framework are followed in respect that the developers must provide a local alternative and pay for its creation. The planning department could instruct the developers to reengineer its plans to include the Speedway track either where it is or elsewhere in the development. And pay for it.

[rodders]

May 3, 2024 14:30:09 GMT bratters said:

Apr 30, 2024 15:22:22 GMT rodders said:

Have said before and say again that the continuity of Panthers has little to do with whether or not planning permission is granted or not!! May be totally wrong but would be interested to learn views of consortium. No compunction for landlord to grant a lease or for that matter anybody being forced to continue with one. The future if any for Panthers is clearly in my view somewhere other than the showground and the sooner this is appreciated the more chance there is for a future for Panthers. Procrastination is the thief of time.

It has everything to do with planning permission. Planning permission should not be granted unless the Local Plan and the National Planning Policy Framework are followed in respect that the developers must provide a local alternative and pay for its creation. The planning department could instruct the developers to reengineer its plans to include the Speedway track either where it is or elsewhere in the development. And pay for it.

Please explain . The landlords are not obliged to grant a new lease regardless of any re development. Please let me know if I have got that wrong. Glad if I have.

[admin]

Do you really need an answer to that from Bratters, Rodders? You know that they don't which is why we're sitting here twiddling our thumbs in 2024. Are they in it for the long haul and prepared to dig their heels in to stall the project for however long? Not a bloody chance IMO. They want done and off in to the sunset asap with their pension pot, never to frequent their alleged gateway to the city (the name of which will escape them as soon as they are out of the county) ever again.

[admin]

May 3, 2024 14:30:09 GMT bratters said:

Apr 30, 2024 15:22:22 GMT rodders said:

Have said before and say again that the continuity of Panthers has little to do with whether or not planning permission is granted or not!! May be totally wrong but would be interested to learn views of consortium. No compunction for landlord to grant a lease or for that matter anybody being forced to continue with one. The future if any for Panthers is clearly in my view somewhere other than the showground and the sooner this is appreciated the more chance there is for a future for Panthers. Procrastination is the thief of time.

It has everything to do with planning permission. Planning permission should not be granted unless the Local Plan and the National Planning Policy Framework are followed in respect that the developers must provide a local alternative and pay for its creation. The planning department could instruct the developers to re engineer its plans to include the Speedway track either where it is or elsewhere in the development. And pay for it.

Remember this in September from PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS in September before it disappeared from the Planning Portal & went AWOL but then re-appeared in a much changed developer friendly version

Although the ET took a strange slant on it, I think that we both agreed that the speedway stadium/track should remain as the focal point and the can work their leisure led concrete jungle around it?

Oct 13, 2023 15:43:04 GMT admin said:

Sept 22, 2023 15:15:51 GMT admin said:

Looks like another stonking objection, and possibly the best yet for us: 23/00400/OUT Representation from Consultee (Web) Open Space Management 22/09/2023 b0252

PCC - OPEN SPACE MANAGEMENT - PLANNING COMMENTS

Recommendation: Objection


Further to significant PreApp dialogue with the Applicant PCC Open Space Management are disappointed with the current submission of the 2 somewhat underwhelming Applications

Neighbourhood Parks: Main Park is needing to be enlarged (again no quantity can be located), further within the overall design more thought is to be given to understanding the history of the Showground, our suggestion for the main POS Area
(Neighbourhood Park) would be the current main Showground outdoor speedway/events area (please see image below highlighted):

Not sure what the first graphic means but I think that it's helpful





Further to all of the above further dialogue is therefore requested with the Developer to enable the design & resubmission of an improved scheme that enables the provision of the required POS/NGS/Play & Allotment provision - I can't see AEPG being happy with that and these yet to be known developers will not purchase under those restrictions.

I see that a much changed version of this objection has appeared.

Did anyone save the original? Wonder if an FoI would get the original?

[bratters]

May 3, 2024 15:04:58 GMT rodders said:

May 3, 2024 14:30:09 GMT bratters said:

It has everything to do with planning permission. Planning permission should not be granted unless the Local Plan and the National Planning Policy Framework are followed in respect that the developers must provide a local alternative and pay for its creation. The planning department could instruct the developers to reengineer its plans to include the Speedway track either where it is or elsewhere in the development. And pay for it.

Please explain . The landlords are not obliged to grant a new lease regardless of any re development. Please let me know if I have got that wrong. Glad if I have.

The landlords won’t or should not get planning approval to develop the place unless the Speedway club are either included in the development or a new track is constructed for them elsewhere, IF the local plan and the NPPF is followed. It’s a case of who is going to blink first. Whilst no development is happening it’s not costing the Speedway club anything, it is costing the developers and EoEAS quite a bit.